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Kilroy Was Here - resurrecting a GL1000

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OK, here is the thread about the progress on my new project. I hope I can get it done in time for the ride to the Great Smokie Mountains.
The pictures show a BMW fairing I have tacked on with zip-ties and paint stirring paddles just to see how it looks. I may or may not use it for the finished product.



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The bike-

I bought it from a long time friend who became disgusted with the troubles he was having with it. I bought the failed project and a collection of pieces that may or may not help.

The extra parts on the side included-

a spare engine with rain water in it, probably totally junk,
two HEAVY Vetter Windjammer fairings

a bare aluminum single-carb manifold with water heat passages (I'm keeping it)

a spare set of one-piece aluminum spoke wheels unknown year (probably NOT comstar, correct?)

One pair of black painted 1978 Comstars. (I think that's what they are)

extra air filter housing (maybe I had better check if it is really a spare)

a box with points and small parts, an empty DYNA ign box with instructions.

And last on the inventory is a bike that looks great at 10-15 feet, but has plenty of problems up close.

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He said he put new tires on it, BUT I now see something wet seeping from the front rim. I think the first thing I must do, UN-do actually, is remove the front tire and clean off any soap or whatever was used to put on the tire and hopefully save the nice aluminum rim from corroding fast, and then remount the tire. That means the rear tire needs it too even though I don't see wet spots.

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This is the info I managed to catch a bit at a time-
(dont you hate it that asking for info from some people is like pulling teeth? and then you get a puzzle to decipher?)
I was told that another bike+frame was scrapped and discarded. I did not like hearing that.
The story I heard was that the engine needed a head gasket. I do not know how he arrived at that diagnosis. water? compression? stains? noises? false diagnosis handed down from owner to owner? what???
After the head gasket change, it was reported that the engine had one cylinder that compression tested at 80 lbs, but he tried to get it running anyway.
I asked if the valves were checked or replaced.-- answer- NO.
I asked him to squirt oil into cyls and re-check compression. vague answers- I still don't know.
I don't know the comp of the other cyls.- haven't checked yet.
He says it ran for a time with the Dyna ign, got a ticket for loud pipes, put on pipes, drove, then went dead. called me- "hey want to buy a bike?"
He wasn't sure if he missed a tooth on the timing, but it did run for a time before dying.
He said the bike ran not long ago, but the week-old Dyna ign died.
Wires hanging out at several places, but it supposedly ran...


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I do NOT want to do a comp check until I put in my own oil (he swears by an absolutely awful wally-world brand that overheated the bearings on his other car), and make sure there is no water in the engine. I will remove timing cover to see that belts are in place before rotating. I will first rotate slowly to make sure no valves are contacting pistons. Only then will I make a compression check, and then put air into the spark plug holes to see where the air exits.
If the spare parts are any clue, there may be three different years of parts on the bike. Possibilities- one cam on one side, a different year cam on the other. I hope that didn't happen, but I need to keep an eye out for strange things.
Since I have never worked on a Wing before, I am not sure whether I can easily detect an incorrect combination or not. I will have to be careful and watch close. The last thing I want to do is backtrack to fix something stupid.
If anyone has any GOOD 1977,1976,1975 camshafts for a low price or a trade (not the manifold), let me know.
For right now, I don't know what else I need yet.
Knowing my friend, I think there is a very high possibility that the timing belts looked good, so the old old belts were probably re-used. fix that.
The wiring is hanging out in several places. I guess I have a mess to untangle and trace down.
This was also a Vetter faired bike. I will need to get some headlight parts and put something together. I probably have the parts. I think.

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Note the wood block under the kickstand. He told me the stand was welded and repaired.
There is no center stand. That means I need to check closely for rust and damage.
The bike sets pretty darn high compared to other bikes I've been on. That might account for some of the kickstand "shortness". My friend is not as tall as I am, so standing on tip toes likely played a part in his decision not to spend more money on it.

I think I have covered just about everything for the moment.
Now to install some pics around the page.

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I need some paint design ideas. I want to make the GL1000 stand out at night. Here is what I did to my Suzi. I am looking for ideas on paint schemes for the Wing that I can use. In my photo album-

I have a few shots of a couple other ideas I have used before. I will add more as I rediscover where I have them.

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MY SUZI AT NIGHT without any lights on.

REALLY COOL, EH?


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Last edited by DJ on Sun Mar 29, 2009 11:10 pm, edited 3 times in total.
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Nice plan, DJ.

Have you been thru Randakk's Tips about bringing an old bike back from the dead? There's an engine flushing routine that is absolutely vital.

If'n it were mine ....

Do the necessary to get it safely back on the road.

* Flush and replace all of the fluids. Engine, differential ...
* Check the water pump, flush the radiator.
* Change the belts.
* Rebuild the brakes.
* Rebuild the carbs.
* Tire work you've outlined.

Get it roadworthy and decide if it will be worth the rest.

If'n it were mine ...

I love black bikes. Touch up the paint, keep the striping, go stock.

If'n it were mine ...

Meet up with other riders for day rides. Then go to the Randakk Rally with them.

BoooYawww! Go for it man!
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looks like a bit of work, but I've sure seen worse....hope you didn't pay much for it....
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Roady wrote:Nice plan, DJ.


If'n it were mine ...

I love black bikes. Touch up the paint, keep the striping, go stock.

If'n it were mine ...

Meet up with other riders for day rides. Then go to the Randakk Rally with them.

BoooYawww! Go for it man!
I think I agree.
Most of the older Goldwings had a fat, dumpy, bloated look.
This one however has a more "normal bike" look. I think it has to do with the way the stripes are laid out to take the attention off of the tall shape of the tank. The stripes frame a lower longer panel for the eyes to follow.
I would hate to lose that. I do like the stock look on this one.
I might want to get rid of the HONDA badges.
I have lots of time to decide.

I have an idea- Maybe the custom paint should be a design on a set of quick-on, quick-off detatchable saddlebags, so the bike can look stock when I want it to, or decorated for travelling.
"Some people like to relax in a leather recliner,

but to others there is nothing better than cardboard ...on concrete."
(under a car)

Valvoline commercial.

Please visit the thread on my GL1000 fixup.

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Yeah man do all....

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Do all the above crap, belts, blah, blah, also get tappets set, Oh and throw the bimmer fairing in the trash it's not up there in the cool factor!
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Looking for replacement seat, mine I beleive is a Saddleman, the Valour is worn down, been thinking about buying material and taking it to furniture shop and hoping for the best, mine has a slide in back rest, just wondering what to do limited budget, and mounting equiptment prob's it seem's, will marry rich girl even if little chubby and work for Dad! lol maybe that's a bit too despriate, anyway, this Vet could use help, If anyone is interested I have a large RC nitro Heli scale model Augusta 109 Power in Cammo paint, missing fins, but it's loaded, worth around 700 bucks will trade it for help with starter chain prob, or very nice seat pref one with swing up backrest for Drv, and armrest for passenger! no junk! give me a call: brick7985@msn.com 8)
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Re: Yeah man do all....

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bigricksharpe wrote:Do all the above crap, belts, blah, blah, also get tappets set, Oh and throw the bimmer fairing in the trash it's not up there in the cool factor!
throw it out?
I am riding in the middle about the fairing right now.
From some angles it looks great. From other angles it isn't quite so good.
I think I will have to have another look at it later when the project is farther along.

I think the bike would look great if I took the clear plastic windshield off the Suzuki and bolted it to the Wing.

One thing I read about in a motorcycle accident study is that the most common accident, cars turning left in front of the motorcycle as we all know, is greatly reduced when the motorcycle is made to be very visible or eye-catching from the front head-on view. The rear view (whether just a couple lights, or the obnoxious wall-of-lights we often see) didn't matter much.
One point noted in the article was that bikes with large fairings had fewer "left-turn-in-front-of" encounters.
This suggests that a great safety item would be having a fairing with brightly colored flames, or dragons, or comet streaks, or bright zig zag graphics, or flashing lights, or something flashy and eye-catching.
If I can come up with a good design that doesn't look too gaudy, I might be able to still use that BMW fairing- IF I can make it look good.
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but to others there is nothing better than cardboard ...on concrete."
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Visibility is exactly why I have a very red faring on my bike. Performance is why it is light. Protection is an added attraction.

And with due respect, the cool factor is what you make it. The BMW faring is a vintage look, which may not be what someone else is looking for. At any rate, here's what my Wixom fairing looks like when I got finished with it.

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The short, angled, and smoked windshield helps make it a bit more modern.

Even so, I had to actually paint and mount it and stare at it for a few weeks before accepting it. At this point, I think it's a nice complement to the bike.

It's not a cafe racer look, but it does look kinda vintage.
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TomE wrote:Visibility is exactly why I have a very red faring on my bike. Performance is why it is light.

And with due respect, the cool factor is what you make it. The BMW faring is a vintage look, which may not be what someone else is looking for. At any rate, here's what my Wixom fairing looks like when I got finished with it.

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Now that's a nice fairing. All you need for it ("if'n it were mine") would be a few Honda-style accent lines.
What I need to figure out is how to keep the bike basically black, and add something bright to make it easily seen.
Maybe I will have to go with a red bike, but for now I'll look for a way to pull it off with a black background and not look extreme. If I can't figure out a good color scheme, I might have to go red.

Your fairing looks the correct vintage for the bike.
I don't know where the BMW fairing belongs.
Any guesses at the vintage of the BMW fairing? (not that it really matters, just mildly curious)


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but to others there is nothing better than cardboard ...on concrete."
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My brain hurts too much to read all this, so ignore if this info has already been given:
Those mags are probably Lester mags. If you post a pic someone can identify them.
I am guessing you removed the dyna and swapped to the points already.
Do the compression test- even with his crappy oil it really can't hurt turning over that slowly.
Good luck!
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Here's LarryG's take on a fairing:

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This is a Honda 1100 fairing, I think, cut down along the backside and handlebar mounted. I always thought it looked nice.

Or maybe it's just that I like red bikes?
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Dj, my eye tells me if you were to lower the fairing with shorter-rise handlebars, that fairing might join the lines of the tank. Just a thought.
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sunnbobb wrote:Dj, my eye tells me if you were to lower the fairing with shorter-rise handlebars, that fairing might join the lines of the tank. Just a thought.
Good eyes. I think it probably would improve the lines.
That's part of my dilemma.
If I use that fairing in the current position, I would have to raise the headlight about 2 inches.

For a while, I was considering the high-headlight look as a possible "cool" look. Now I am not so sure. now that I have a vote against it. I am undecided.

If I lower it to fit the light, I would need short handlebars.
I would have to see what the bike feels like.
Since I have never ridden a GL1000, I have no idea whether I would prefer the high or the low bars.
I guess I'll find that out down the road a bit.

I wish I had time to work on it. I am itching to get started.
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but to others there is nothing better than cardboard ...on concrete."
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You can trim the back side of the fairing to whatever shape you want. That should give you some more freedom on the look and fit.

On the handlebars, a lot of people used to get setbacks back in the day. The normal position of the handlebars is setup for somewhat aggressive riding and tends to give some people sore necks.
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TomE wrote:You can trim the back side of the fairing to whatever shape you want. That should give you some more freedom on the look and fit.

On the handlebars, a lot of people used to get setbacks back in the day. The normal position of the handlebars is setup for somewhat aggressive riding and tends to give some people sore necks.
Now that's interesting.
Setbacks sound a lot better than "lean forwards"
I might have to ride the bike a bit to know which locations I like.

I want this bike to open up the long-distance option for me once again, so that probably means that I should go for a sporty bike that will not wear me out after a short drive.

I don't want an overweight rolling couch, or a stiff neck either.
I am shooting for something fast and fun without being too tiring.

My favorite road car would be a quick dune buggy, not a Pro-Mod dragster, not a Cadillac Couch.

I hope to find that combination in a bike.

This is the kind of riding I would like to do again- after a road trip to get there---- would setback handlebars work well on riding the twisties or are they ONLY for a cruiser-style bike?
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It looks like I have some experimenting to do.
"Some people like to relax in a leather recliner,

but to others there is nothing better than cardboard ...on concrete."
(under a car)

Valvoline commercial.

Please visit the thread on my GL1000 fixup.

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