How to: Mount 1980 GL1100 Ignition Coils on a 1978 GL1000

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How to: Mount 1980 GL1100 Ignition Coils on a 1978 GL1000

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How to: Mount GL1100 Ignition Coils on a GL1000

What you'll need:
Patience
GL1100 Coils with the mounting brackets
GL1000 Ballast Resistor with Mounting Brackets
2x 6Mx20mm 1.0 thread Hex Bolts (or just regular 6Mx20mm 1.0 thread bolts)
2x 6Mx30mm 1.0 thread Hex Bolts (or just regular 6Mx30mm 1.0 thread bolts)
2x 6M 1.0 thread nuts
4x 6M washers
4x 6M lock washers

Note: 6M bolts use a 10mm wrench or a 5 metric allen key for the Hex bolts

Unfortunately I do not have pictures of the beginning, only half way through. I drew up a picture of what the different mountings look like on the GL1100 and the GL1000 and hopefully it helps explain things a little better.

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The numbers are what plug the ignition wire connects to. Light grey is the frame.

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GL1100 Ignition Coils (From left to right, 3/4, 1/2) on the GL1000.

It is a tight fit to get the coils in there, but they will fit. The first thing you will need to do is switch the orientation of the coils and the mounting brackets. I recommend before you do this that you number them so you do not get confused. I just marked the cables with electrical tape. When the coils are in the bracket and on the GL1100 they are mounted 4/3,2/1 (reading from left to right). What you need to do it remove the brackets and spin them around 180 degrees so they mount 3/4,1/2 (reading from left to right). This is because on the GL1100 the coils mount up higher in the frame and the brackets are facing different ways to allow clearance for the ignition wire connectors (one bracket end points up and one points down). On the GL1000 it is mounted at the front of the frame and both mounting ends are pointing towards the front with the screws coming in from the front. This poses a problem, because on the GL1100 brackets the screws come in from the back. Since the ballast resistor mounts on the coil mounting bolts, it will not fit on properly. And you cannot mount it on the back because there isn't enough space for it to fit.

The solution was to get longer bolts and put a nut on as a spacer to give the room you need to fit the ballast back on. I did this with the coils on the bike, I recommend you put it on first.
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The next problem is the GL1000's used 5M or 4M bolts to secure the coils where the GL1100 uses 6M. I had to drill out the ballast mount for the new bolts to fit through properly. Tip: Oil the metal and your drill bit before you start drilling. Also drill into a flat surface, this helps provide a nice clean hole without much tearing. I used a 1/4" drill bit to make the hole slightly larger then a 6M bolt. If you have never done this before, practice on something else you don't care about first.

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This is what they will look like mounted.
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When putting the coils into place the heat shield/fan shield gets in the way of the ignition wires. If you look in the picture above there is a bump in the shield just in front of the 3/4 ignition coil (the one on the left). I personally recommend removing the air box to install them, it can probably be done with the air box in place but it was hard enough doing it without the air box there.

The best way to get the coils in is to put them in horizontally with the wire ends facing the back of the bike and then tilt the front end up and squeeze the bottom end into place. The bottom of the 3/4 coil should just clear the heat shield. Make sure to run the wires so they go around the shield and not over top. Once they are in place they will stay there and with some maneuvering you should be able to bolt them into the frame in the original holes that the GL1000 mounts used. The other difference between the GL1000 and GL1100 coil brackets are the GL1100's are wider (at least on my bike, I may not have had the original brackets for the GL1000). This gives you more clearance for the air box snorkel and the ballast resistor.

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I apologize if it is unclear anywhere, if it is please let me know and I'll do my best to explain (provide more pictures if necessary).

Note:
I also noticed that from the pictures it appears one or both of the coil cases are either cracked or really deeply scratched, I had planned on replacing them, this was only temporary.
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Re: How to: Mount GL1100 Ignition Coils on a GL1000

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Very good. Can you include two things? How to change the wiring over (four vs three wires I think) and there are two different coils for the 1100's... each requires a different ballast set up...
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You're right, I forgot to mention that. These are coils from a 1980 GL1100. I believe the 1982 GL1100 is the only one with the ballast.

The difference between the GL1100 and the GL1000 Harness Plug is 6 wires versus three.

The ignition coil plug on the 1978 GL1000 looks something like this:

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|1 2 3|
|4 5 6|

1 - Yellow, Positive for Coil 1/2 Points
2 - Black, Wire for ballast (will have cloth shielding, and be aluminum wiring)
3 - Blue w/ white stripe, Positive for Coil 3/4 Points
4 - Black w/ white stripe, Negative for Coil 1/2 Points
5 - Black, Wire for ballast (will have cloth shielding, and be aluminum wiring)
6 - Black w/ white stripe, Negative for Coil 3/4 Points

The ignition coil plug on the 1980 GL1100 looks something like this:

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|1 - 2|
|3 - 4|

1 - Blue, Positive points wire for coil 3/4
2 - Black w/white stripe, Negative points wire for coil 1/2,3/4
3 - Empty, Unused
4 - Yellow, Positive points wire for coil 1/2

You can see below that on the 1980 GL1100 coil harness they daisy chained the negative for the two coils instead of having two independent wires as they do on the 1978 GL1000
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If you just disconnect the coils and plug them back in the way they were (Blue to Blue, Yellow to Yellow. Negatives to Negatives and connect the ballast), it will work fine. The basic difference here is on the 1978 main wiring harness they had the coil negative wires split before the plug and on the 1980 GL1100 they spit the negative after the main harness plug and the GL1000's have a ballast where the GL1100's did not (except for the 1982 GL1100).

No actual modification is required for the harness. I only had to modify mine because the PO had hard wired in two different models of coils. You may need to snip the ends and change the connector style from bullet to a flat where it plugs into the coil. I believe the 78 GL1000's had bullet connectors going into the coils.
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Re: How to: Mount 1980 GL1100 Ignition Coils on a 1978 GL100

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Perfect and A GREAT BIG THANKS!!!
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Thanks, glad i could help. Least I could do for all the support I've received.

I have a few other tutorials/infos/how to's I'm working on. They'll be around shortly.
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Re: How to: Mount 1980 GL1100 Ignition Coils on a 1978 GL100

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I have a set of 1100 coils I've been saving for my 75 but They are going on the 76 this weekend. Been unable to track down a gremlin on it and this morning she would not run well enough to take me to work. Pretty sure the only area that will present a problem is the physical mounting of the coils. The rest should be a piece of cake and I'll post results when it is finished.
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The frame and everything should be similar enough, I don't see a problem with it fitting at all.
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Finished the upgrade today and the operation was a success. Fitted the bracket and set the coils on a tilt to avoid the minimal clearance for the plug wires. Shortened the snorkel about 1.5 inches to make up for the tilt. Wiring on the 76 was individual bullets instead of the six pronged plug in the writeup so I clipped the ends from the old coils and attached them to the new coils corresponding wires. I'm still having issues that I've tracked down to #3 cylinder so it's off with the carbs again tomorrow.
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That is good news. Did you create new plug ends for the new coils or are they hard wired in?

What is happening with cyl 3?
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I clipped the ends from the old coils and used the original wiring. Still need to pretty it up a little but it works. Still do not know what is going on with #3. This engine sat for nearly 20 years and it is taking its own time in coming around. I've gone through all the timing, plugs, sync, valve clearence, plug wires and still haven't found it. Carbs were rebuilt, cleaned etc. and cleaned and cleaned again. Had them off the bike about 5 times already. Planning on doing it again today.
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