My EFI setup

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My EFI setup

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I am very slow at the moment, my job is eating all my time, but I wanted to let You know that EFI is still in progress:
Stock elbows w/bosses welded on
BMW K100 throttle bodies
Stock GL1000 plenum
adaptor plates with aluminum tubes between plenum and TBs
Ford TPS
Ford/BMW hi impedance injectors from BMW K100
Fuel inlet caps by Piercemanifolds
Modified throttle linkage

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I want to use the plenum air rail from the air cutoff valve to feed false air to the elbows for fast idle purposes. Will tap the two holes where the cutoff valve was mounted, and connect them with a fast idle valve.
The intake air sensor is simply glued into the plenum. Will look for a better location.
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Looks well on the way Ray.
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Great to see someone actually getting there with FI. Well done!
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I will echo what Old Fogey said! Good to finally see someone fabricating something up! I bet 30 guys have said they were going to build one but this is the first picture I have seen so far action1 action1 action1 action1 action1
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This is the first trial setup, just to see if it will work. The way to go imo is with a manifold bolting into the stock elbows and one single throttle only. As for the injectors: The better way to mount them is with a fuel rail, simply because of the look.
But before I invest $$$$ i want to see if it works with junkyard parts.
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lookin good Ray. Whats the chances of You just posting that megasquirt fuel only page. Thanks JB
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This ought to get interesting now. I'm glad to see that you're making progress.

BTW... I sized down your photos, hope you don't mind. They are killer on my DSL, sure glad I didn't have to settle for dial-up. :mrgreen:
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Yes sir, that is some impressive looking plumbing.
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Nice work!
Are you planning to do the fuel table lookup by TPS?
I agree that a single central throttle body should work well. Although, it's interesting that the GL1200 efi system used individual throttles.
I'm one of those 40 people trying to do efi; am about 50% done in adapting a 1985 LTD efi assembly to my GL1100, it actually fits the earlier bike pretty well. Will try to post some pictures here.
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am about 50% done in adapting a 1985 LTD efi assembly to my GL1100
Socrace, I agree, the 1200SEI setup should be the best approach to EFI a wing.
The BIG advantages is that the fuel rail/pump/filter/pressure regulator are already there and the elbows have injector bosses already in place.
I would buy four 36mm i.d. / 70mm o.d. washers as adaptor plates to make the elbows fit to the head ports.
I would also try to replace IAT and CLT sensors by GM spec sensors. Megasquirt has a gizmo to make other sensors work, but I read of a lot of troubles with it.
The GM sensors which are recommended by Megasquirt both have the same NTC 2.2kOhms resistor inside.
I'll attach an excel sheet which I have read out in my freezer frosty1
There is also the part# of NTC's to buy at radio shack for less than 1$.
At this side of the pond SEI setups are VERY rare and VERY pricey. Nobody wanted to sell me one for small $$$ so I decided to look for other options.
But if availability is given, the SEI is the best way to go.
Keep us updated!

For those willing to use stock elbows and weld on injector bosses, I have (too late) discovered a much better and cheaper solution than mine:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayI ... 0364963721
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Beautiful and complete solution for the price of 23$

Here is the wiring diagram:
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Ok

Starting with the premise that I know nothing about EFI (Cause I don't!) I can figure out the purpose of most things in that diagram except the idle valves? What is their purpose and or function?
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Whiskerfish wrote:Ok

Starting with the premise that I know nothing about EFI (Cause I don't!) I can figure out the purpose of most things in that diagram except the idle valves? What is their purpose and or function?
Assumeing they are there to control idle air, I don't understand the need for two of them. I would think only one in the plenum would be sufficient. (?)
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Ray:

Good work!

I love your strategy for the idle air source!

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Thank You, Randall!
I love carbs, too. I think You know because I made pass Your twin IDF setup the German legislation. I could stop tinkering now, they run great! But I can't, so EFI is the next step on the ladder to nirwana dancr

To answer the questions: In the diagram there are two idle valves, but You need only one. They want to show how to wire up the different types of idle valves (2-wire/3-wire).

The purpose is to have stable idle under various conditions.
In most stock EFI systems the throttle is completely closed when the accelerator is released. All the air required for idle goes through a bypass. In this bypass there is an electromagnetic valve to control the amount of air going through. When the engine is cold, it opens for longer periods (or even permanently), when the engine is hot, the open intervals are shorter (pulsewidth-modulation). This makes increased idle speed during warm-up, and normal idle when hot.
Another option is to set the throttle gap to a good idle speed when the engine is hot. The valve is permanently closed then. During warm-up, the idle valve gives additional "false" air through the bypass - fast idle!
Generally we can say: The controller (Megasquirt) is always checking the idle rpm, correcting it when it is too high or too low, with the help of the idle valve.
A third option is a stepper motor which acts on the throttle plate, opening or closing it.
Then no idle valve is required any more, but only Megasquirt 3 can drive such a stepper motor.

My concerns are that the "false air" going through the bypasses in my setup is not enough to let the engine fast idle after startup. So I will probably set the throttles to a certain gap, but this requires syncing, what I actually wanted to avoid.

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Great effort here. I am enjoying watching this.
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