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Re: 1978 GL1000 Restoration

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if the bike was stored inside, I would not be too concerned about 5 year old tires. Stored outside and I would change them out. My Ltd which I got running again had 12 year tires. They went to the dump
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Re: 1978 GL1000 Restoration

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rcmatt007 wrote: Mon Jul 17, 2023 6:15 am if the bike was stored inside, I would not be too concerned about 5 year old tires. Stored outside and I would change them out. My Ltd which I got running again had 12 year tires. They went to the dump
Yes, it was stored in an air conditioned warehouse. They hold air and I did ride the bike for 3 miles on them without issue. Of course I will have to balance them later. I will begin today with semi-tear down.
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Re: 1978 GL1000 Restoration

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I began the disassembly today. I found three oil leaks, one at the starter, one just behind the thermostat housing and the last one is the gear selector shaft seal. There is an actual hole in the engine case. I also removed the Windjammer wire harness from the main harness, so I will have to repair some wires. Also found what looks to be the neutral switch wire grounding against the engine. I removed the carburetors and they’re in bad shape. Someone went in there before and they did some damage as almost all of the float bowl screws have been replaced with self tapping screws. It leaks all over. In order to remove the carbs from the frame, I had to remove a housing for a diaphragm. I posted pictures below. There is a picture with two relays, I assume they have something to do with the coils. Also, the bike still has points and they seemed as if they were recently replaced.
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Re: 1978 GL1000 Restoration

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Re: 1978 GL1000 Restoration

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"Diaphragm" is the anti-afterburn valve that has to be removed (did you read any instructions for carb removal?) Stripped screws are pretty common. I had one that even had sheetrock screws in it. You can get Helicoil kits on Amazon. Make sure you use a JIS screwdriver on all of those cross-point screws. The hole is a tell-tale between the water pump and oil pump to let you know when the seal fails.

You really should obtain a Honda service manual (there are pdfs online).
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Re: 1978 GL1000 Restoration

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pidjones wrote: Mon Jul 17, 2023 10:13 pm "Diaphragm" is the anti-afterburn valve that has to be removed (did you read any instructions for carb removal?) Stripped screws are pretty common. I had one that even had sheetrock screws in it. You can get Helicoil kits on Amazon. Make sure you use a JIS screwdriver on all of those cross-point screws. The hole is a tell-tale between the water pump and oil pump to let you know when the seal fails.

You really should obtain a Honda service manual (there are pdfs online).
This is great info. I do have the Haynes Manual and I will use it. I assumed pulling carbs would be straightforward but lesson learned😀. Now I know that there is a failed seal and I have to go deeper. Peeking at the intake valves didn’t reveal any oil buildup from leaking valve seals.
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Re: 1978 GL1000 Restoration

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somewhere there is a diagram of the water pump and all the ways it can leak (either coolant or oil). Looks like time to replace the pump (and O rings and crush gaskets on the three bolts that hold the pump
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76 Ltd "cookies bike" ALMOST DONE
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Re: 1978 GL1000 Restoration

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rcmatt007 wrote: Tue Jul 18, 2023 11:28 am somewhere there is a diagram of the water pump and all the ways it can leak (either coolant or oil). Looks like time to replace the pump (and O rings and crush gaskets on the three bolts that hold the pump
I have to find all of the parts numbers. Also, is there a cooler than 180F thermostat for this engine?
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Re: 1978 GL1000 Restoration

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you do not need a cooler thermostat. There are "kits" which have all the O-rings and gaskets needed to take off the "transmission" cover and replace the water pump.
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"it takes 10,000 hours to become an expert" ancient saying
78 constantly modified/customized since 1978, BOTM June 2015 de-evolving this very moment viewtopic.php?f=30&t=65511
76 Ltd "cookies bike" ALMOST DONE
79 project, finished, FOR SALE
'86 1200 (Beth's)(FOR SALE) with motorvation sidecar (sidecar sold) , July 2017 BOTM
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Re: 1978 GL1000 Restoration

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GalDemSuga wrote: Tue Jul 18, 2023 2:26 am
pidjones wrote: Mon Jul 17, 2023 10:13 pm "Diaphragm" is the anti-afterburn valve that has to be removed (did you read any instructions for carb removal?) Stripped screws are pretty common. I had one that even had sheetrock screws in it. You can get Helicoil kits on Amazon. Make sure you use a JIS screwdriver on all of those cross-point screws. The hole is a tell-tale between the water pump and oil pump to let you know when the seal fails.

You really should obtain a Honda service manual (there are pdfs online).
This is great info. I do have the Haynes Manual and I will use it. I assumed pulling carbs would be straightforward but lesson learned😀. Now I know that there is a failed seal and I have to go deeper. Peeking at the intake valves didn’t reveal any oil buildup from leaking valve seals.
Please BURN the Haynes manual and get a Honda manual!
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2021 Can-Am Spyder RT Limited Dark Chalk Metallic
1975 Red GL1000 project - ex Pistol Pete project
1972 Triumph T150V Trident rescue - finished and FOR SALE!
1976 Yamaha RD400c
1978 GL1000 with '75 engine - the Hunley
Ex 1978 GL1000
Ex 1979 GL1000
Ex '79 CB750F rat bike
Ex '86 SEi
Ex '77 GL1000
Ex '76 RD400
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Re: 1978 GL1000 Restoration

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pidjones wrote: Tue Jul 18, 2023 3:44 pm
GalDemSuga wrote: Tue Jul 18, 2023 2:26 am
pidjones wrote: Mon Jul 17, 2023 10:13 pm "Diaphragm" is the anti-afterburn valve that has to be removed (did you read any instructions for carb removal?) Stripped screws are pretty common. I had one that even had sheetrock screws in it. You can get Helicoil kits on Amazon. Make sure you use a JIS screwdriver on all of those cross-point screws. The hole is a tell-tale between the water pump and oil pump to let you know when the seal fails.

You really should obtain a Honda service manual (there are pdfs online).
This is great info. I do have the Haynes Manual and I will use it. I assumed pulling carbs would be straightforward but lesson learned😀. Now I know that there is a failed seal and I have to go deeper. Peeking at the intake valves didn’t reveal any oil buildup from leaking valve seals.
Please BURN the Haynes manual and get a Honda manual!
Its brand new and still in plastic👀 I have an old Clymer manual as well. I found that in the water logged trunk and I dried it out and slapped some ducktape over it.
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Dianne -78 XS1100 (next project)
Beauty -82 GS1100G (Complete)
Dawn -83 CB1000C (future project)
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Re: 1978 GL1000 Restoration

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rcmatt007 wrote: Tue Jul 18, 2023 2:22 pm you do not need a cooler thermostat. There are "kits" which have all the O-rings and gaskets needed to take off the "transmission" cover and replace the water pump.
I will search for that, thank you.

I found this one @ Z1 Enterprise
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Re: 1978 GL1000 Restoration

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yes that will work. be advised you will have left over O-rings. The Clymer and Haynes are so-so as long as you realize they do not tell you everything, and occasionally are wrong. But that is what NGW is for
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76 Ltd "cookies bike" ALMOST DONE
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Re: 1978 GL1000 Restoration

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rcmatt007 wrote: Tue Jul 18, 2023 4:31 pm yes that will work. be advised you will have left over O-rings. The Clymer and Haynes are so-so as long as you realize they do not tell you everything, and occasionally are wrong. But that is what NGW is for
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most of us learned all this the hard way
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The question is not how much time do you have, it is what you do with the time that you have Gandalf
"One of the greatest dignities of humankind is that each successive generation is invested in the welfare of each new generation." Fred Rodgers
"it takes 10,000 hours to become an expert" ancient saying
78 constantly modified/customized since 1978, BOTM June 2015 de-evolving this very moment viewtopic.php?f=30&t=65511
76 Ltd "cookies bike" ALMOST DONE
79 project, finished, FOR SALE
'86 1200 (Beth's)(FOR SALE) with motorvation sidecar (sidecar sold) , July 2017 BOTM
'17 HD Road king and 08 HD Heritage softail (Beth's) (FOR SALE). I guess you can say we have MBS
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