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- Track T 2411
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+1 on the tapered bearings. Bit of a chore installing, but then you know you're good to go...
Good wrenchin'
Todd
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Todd
"I have no special talent. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
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'81 gl1100I barn find aka "Josie, the farmer's daughter." (almost comatose build)
'77 gl1000, roller parts bike.
'82 gl1100I, 'Old Crusty' titled roller parts bike (free!)
'82 gl1100I, My first 'Wing, and an expensive lesson!
New2U Bike? Read Me.
"He that is good with a hammer tends to think everything is a nail" - Abraham Maslow
"If you can't take the time to do it right the first time, how are you ever going to find the time to do it over?" -Unknown
Current Rides:
'Grumpy' - '81 Standard, now fully dressed.
'Layla' - '81 Standard w/dealer installed fairing and Hondaline bags.
'Scarlett' '76 'Survivor' nekkid as a j-bird!
Under Construction:
The 'Jalopy' '78-'79 Mash-up
'Quikie' '81 gl1100I back on the lift, project with the step-son!
In The Shed:
'81 gl1100I barn find aka "Josie, the farmer's daughter." (almost comatose build)
'77 gl1000, roller parts bike.
'82 gl1100I, 'Old Crusty' titled roller parts bike (free!)
'82 gl1100I, My first 'Wing, and an expensive lesson!
New2U Bike? Read Me.
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I agree with wiskerfish, they are a good upgrade. But it costs $30 if you do it right the first time, $60 if you don't. Don't ask me how I know!
Hope for the best, expect the worst and take what comes!
1977 Candy Sirus Blue Wing (gone but not forgotten!): Ernie's 77 Resto
1998 Yellow/Creme Valkyrie (sold): Valk Redo
1976 Sulfur Yellow Wing (sold): Melloyellow to live again
1976 LTD #1353 (sold): And away we go . . . . LTD style
1970 CT90 (sold): Had too much time on my hands so . . .
1/4 of 1975 Wing #898 (Sold): Team 898 - raised from the ashes
70ish Benelli Dynamo Scrambler (sold): Erector Set/Treasure Hunt aka Benelli Dynamo
1/6 of 1976 LTD #993 (Sold): LTD 993 . . . and so it begins
1977 Candy Sirus Blue Wing (gone but not forgotten!): Ernie's 77 Resto
1998 Yellow/Creme Valkyrie (sold): Valk Redo
1976 Sulfur Yellow Wing (sold): Melloyellow to live again
1976 LTD #1353 (sold): And away we go . . . . LTD style
1970 CT90 (sold): Had too much time on my hands so . . .
1/4 of 1975 Wing #898 (Sold): Team 898 - raised from the ashes
70ish Benelli Dynamo Scrambler (sold): Erector Set/Treasure Hunt aka Benelli Dynamo
1/6 of 1976 LTD #993 (Sold): LTD 993 . . . and so it begins
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I think I'll do the tapered set if they are here in time. The supplier is out of stock, so if they don't get here when road test time comes aalong I'll regrease the originals and put the tapered set in later.
I did get some disassembly and cleaning done.


I'm very happy with the way the fork tubes looked when I took them apart. There was a bit of water in one, but no corrosion inside the lower legs. The only problem I am having is that I cannot get the fork seals out of the legs. Yes, I removed the retaining clips, but I have heated them and now they have been soaking in PB Blaster overnight and still won't budge.
I checked the springs free length against the manual and they are well within specs and identical to each other at 20 1/4".
I know that the original fluid was ATF, but is that what is recommended today? It seems like now we would use straight 15 or 20 weight? What are you guys running on these old bikes:?:
I did have a bit of trouble getting one of the piston bolts out of the bottom of the fork, but a buddy recommended putting the spring back in and compressing the fork while unscrewing it and it came right out. Just in case anyone else has this issue.
Then I had some time this afternoon and thought I would at least get some more of the front end cleaned up.


And after a bit of disassembly and cleaning this is where it sits tonight.

I did get the mastercyclinder, proportioning block amd lines flushed out as well. Everything was working, but I flushed 5 or 6 lines full of fresh DOT3 to make sure I wasn't going to pump any nasties into the freshing cleaned calipers.
I did get some disassembly and cleaning done.


I'm very happy with the way the fork tubes looked when I took them apart. There was a bit of water in one, but no corrosion inside the lower legs. The only problem I am having is that I cannot get the fork seals out of the legs. Yes, I removed the retaining clips, but I have heated them and now they have been soaking in PB Blaster overnight and still won't budge.

I know that the original fluid was ATF, but is that what is recommended today? It seems like now we would use straight 15 or 20 weight? What are you guys running on these old bikes:?:
I did have a bit of trouble getting one of the piston bolts out of the bottom of the fork, but a buddy recommended putting the spring back in and compressing the fork while unscrewing it and it came right out. Just in case anyone else has this issue.
Then I had some time this afternoon and thought I would at least get some more of the front end cleaned up.


And after a bit of disassembly and cleaning this is where it sits tonight.

I did get the mastercyclinder, proportioning block amd lines flushed out as well. Everything was working, but I flushed 5 or 6 lines full of fresh DOT3 to make sure I wasn't going to pump any nasties into the freshing cleaned calipers.

2005 Suzuki DL1000
1977 GL1000 rider
1977 GL1000 project
1999 WR400 off road
2000 WR400 Supermoto
2003 TTR125 Pit Bike
1984 ATC200M
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1977 GL1000 project
1999 WR400 off road
2000 WR400 Supermoto
2003 TTR125 Pit Bike
1984 ATC200M
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Looks like progress! I'm VERY good at this stuff (taking things apart) too, seems like the next step (this goes where?) is where I'm stumbling
Good wrenchin'
Todd



Good wrenchin'
Todd
"I have no special talent. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
"He that is good with a hammer tends to think everything is a nail" - Abraham Maslow
"If you can't take the time to do it right the first time, how are you ever going to find the time to do it over?" -Unknown
Current Rides:
'Grumpy' - '81 Standard, now fully dressed.
'Layla' - '81 Standard w/dealer installed fairing and Hondaline bags.
'Scarlett' '76 'Survivor' nekkid as a j-bird!
Under Construction:
The 'Jalopy' '78-'79 Mash-up
'Quikie' '81 gl1100I back on the lift, project with the step-son!
In The Shed:
'81 gl1100I barn find aka "Josie, the farmer's daughter." (almost comatose build)
'77 gl1000, roller parts bike.
'82 gl1100I, 'Old Crusty' titled roller parts bike (free!)
'82 gl1100I, My first 'Wing, and an expensive lesson!
New2U Bike? Read Me.
"He that is good with a hammer tends to think everything is a nail" - Abraham Maslow
"If you can't take the time to do it right the first time, how are you ever going to find the time to do it over?" -Unknown
Current Rides:
'Grumpy' - '81 Standard, now fully dressed.
'Layla' - '81 Standard w/dealer installed fairing and Hondaline bags.
'Scarlett' '76 'Survivor' nekkid as a j-bird!
Under Construction:
The 'Jalopy' '78-'79 Mash-up
'Quikie' '81 gl1100I back on the lift, project with the step-son!
In The Shed:
'81 gl1100I barn find aka "Josie, the farmer's daughter." (almost comatose build)
'77 gl1000, roller parts bike.
'82 gl1100I, 'Old Crusty' titled roller parts bike (free!)
'82 gl1100I, My first 'Wing, and an expensive lesson!
New2U Bike? Read Me.
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Never use PB Blaster on rubber parts. The rubber swells and just makes it even harder to get out. Look on Randakks site, he has an easy to make tool on there to remove the seals. It works great. On another note, I don't see the small springs that go on your damper rods. Are they just not in the pics? They do need to be in there or it will make for a harsh ride on rebound.
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and a rotation of various purchases
Randakk approved Carb Rebuilder
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If those are progressive springs then the small springs were eliminated.robin1731 wrote: I don't see the small springs that go on your damper rods. Are they just not in the pics? They do need to be in there or it will make for a harsh ride on rebound.
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Once in a while you can run into those seals being glued in. I had to heat the ones on my neighbor's bike to get them out. Since most aren't I assume somebody Loctited them or something on a seal change.
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If you look at my resto thread you will see that I had the exact same problem with my fork seals. If you go to Andersons (A local store but Steve will know) in the automotive department they sell a seal puller. It was about $10 and worked like a charm. Or if you want to borrow mine just give a shout. (It may never get used again anyway!) I used straight atf as per the manual and recommendations of this forum.
Hope for the best, expect the worst and take what comes!
1977 Candy Sirus Blue Wing (gone but not forgotten!): Ernie's 77 Resto
1998 Yellow/Creme Valkyrie (sold): Valk Redo
1976 Sulfur Yellow Wing (sold): Melloyellow to live again
1976 LTD #1353 (sold): And away we go . . . . LTD style
1970 CT90 (sold): Had too much time on my hands so . . .
1/4 of 1975 Wing #898 (Sold): Team 898 - raised from the ashes
70ish Benelli Dynamo Scrambler (sold): Erector Set/Treasure Hunt aka Benelli Dynamo
1/6 of 1976 LTD #993 (Sold): LTD 993 . . . and so it begins
1977 Candy Sirus Blue Wing (gone but not forgotten!): Ernie's 77 Resto
1998 Yellow/Creme Valkyrie (sold): Valk Redo
1976 Sulfur Yellow Wing (sold): Melloyellow to live again
1976 LTD #1353 (sold): And away we go . . . . LTD style
1970 CT90 (sold): Had too much time on my hands so . . .
1/4 of 1975 Wing #898 (Sold): Team 898 - raised from the ashes
70ish Benelli Dynamo Scrambler (sold): Erector Set/Treasure Hunt aka Benelli Dynamo
1/6 of 1976 LTD #993 (Sold): LTD 993 . . . and so it begins
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Awesome! Thanks. I'm only a few miles from Anderson's and I'll be using a puller regularly. I have this thing about buying crappy old bikes.polkadot77 wrote:If you look at my resto thread you will see that I had the exact same problem with my fork seals. If you go to Andersons (A local store but Steve will know) in the automotive department they sell a seal puller. It was about $10 and worked like a charm. Or if you want to borrow mine just give a shout. (It may never get used again anyway!) I used straight atf as per the manual and recommendations of this forum.

I checked out the Randakk's post on the seal puller. It looks good. I'm kinda glad to see that I wasn't losing my mind on this.
Thanks
2005 Suzuki DL1000
1977 GL1000 rider
1977 GL1000 project
1999 WR400 off road
2000 WR400 Supermoto
2003 TTR125 Pit Bike
1984 ATC200M
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1977 GL1000 project
1999 WR400 off road
2000 WR400 Supermoto
2003 TTR125 Pit Bike
1984 ATC200M
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Just a quick update. I finally got the old fork seals out and the new seals installed. With the forks reassembled I had to wait for the blue locktite to cure.

Then on to the sticky head bearings. The grease was nearly solidified and the bearings had a coat of rust on them. The tapered bearings are still backordered so I dug into the CB350 spares and came up with a good set of ball bearings to get things going for now.


I'm still planning on going with the tapered bearings, but these are going nice and smooth.
Then I got the front end reassembled, the wheel cleaned and installed, brakes installed and bled, 400ml of aft fluid in the forks and added the engine oil before I forget and tie the motor up.
More tomorrow.

Then on to the sticky head bearings. The grease was nearly solidified and the bearings had a coat of rust on them. The tapered bearings are still backordered so I dug into the CB350 spares and came up with a good set of ball bearings to get things going for now.


I'm still planning on going with the tapered bearings, but these are going nice and smooth.
Then I got the front end reassembled, the wheel cleaned and installed, brakes installed and bled, 400ml of aft fluid in the forks and added the engine oil before I forget and tie the motor up.
More tomorrow.
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1977 GL1000 rider
1977 GL1000 project
1999 WR400 off road
2000 WR400 Supermoto
2003 TTR125 Pit Bike
1984 ATC200M
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1977 GL1000 project
1999 WR400 off road
2000 WR400 Supermoto
2003 TTR125 Pit Bike
1984 ATC200M
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anybody got a link on those tapered head bearings????? 

you can tell how good a mechanic is by the size of the hammer he carries
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My fuel pump arrived a couple days sooner than I thought. I'm not quite ready to put it on. First I needed to get that left side exhaust header repaired. I could not find any 1 5/8" exhaust pipe so I had to go rummaging through my spares bin.

The doner is a CB360 exhaust header. It is 1 1/2", but the stop on the end is 1.640" as opposed to the 1.660" on the GL header so it should work just fine.

Tacked in place.

And sealed up. Please don't laugh at my welding. It's been awhile.


After that I did a quick cleanup on the pipes and muffler and took them into the basement for some high temp flat black. I'll let them dry overnight and install them tomorrow with the new fuel pump.

Hopefully tomorrow I'll be able to get the bike ready for a very short road test.

The doner is a CB360 exhaust header. It is 1 1/2", but the stop on the end is 1.640" as opposed to the 1.660" on the GL header so it should work just fine.

Tacked in place.

And sealed up. Please don't laugh at my welding. It's been awhile.



After that I did a quick cleanup on the pipes and muffler and took them into the basement for some high temp flat black. I'll let them dry overnight and install them tomorrow with the new fuel pump.

Hopefully tomorrow I'll be able to get the bike ready for a very short road test.

2005 Suzuki DL1000
1977 GL1000 rider
1977 GL1000 project
1999 WR400 off road
2000 WR400 Supermoto
2003 TTR125 Pit Bike
1984 ATC200M
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1977 GL1000 project
1999 WR400 off road
2000 WR400 Supermoto
2003 TTR125 Pit Bike
1984 ATC200M
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Now ain't that the prettiest li'l pump you ever saw. I love new parts.
And them welds is okay. I haven't done any welding since time spent on Grandpa's farm over 30 years ago. He used to say that if it stuck together it was a good weld.
And them welds is okay. I haven't done any welding since time spent on Grandpa's farm over 30 years ago. He used to say that if it stuck together it was a good weld.
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I mean the small spring that goes on the damper rod. It would be number 7 in this schematic. Without these the ride on rebound would be harsher. That spring dampens the rebound.Sagebrush wrote:If those are progressive springs then the small springs were eliminated.robin1731 wrote: I don't see the small springs that go on your damper rods. Are they just not in the pics? They do need to be in there or it will make for a harsh ride on rebound.
http://www.bikebandit.com/houseofmotorc ... 28sch23360
1976 Goldwing Super Sport
1985 Honda Elite
1976 KZ900 Dragbike
1992 ZX7 Dragbike (KZ900 style motor w/NOS)
and a rotation of various purchases
Randakk approved Carb Rebuilder
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1976 KZ900 Dragbike
1992 ZX7 Dragbike (KZ900 style motor w/NOS)
and a rotation of various purchases
Randakk approved Carb Rebuilder
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It looks likle the 1000 forks are slightly different from the 1100 forks. I checked the parts diagram on the 1976 GL1000 forks and I don't see that small spring. I checked it out when you posted it earlier. I tried to post a link, but it just goes to the search page.robin1731 wrote:I mean the small spring that goes on the damper rod. It would be number 7 in this schematic. Without these the ride on rebound would be harsher. That spring dampens the rebound.Sagebrush wrote:If those are progressive springs then the small springs were eliminated.robin1731 wrote: I don't see the small springs that go on your damper rods. Are they just not in the pics? They do need to be in there or it will make for a harsh ride on rebound.
http://www.bikebandit.com/houseofmotorc ... 28sch23360
I also double checked the parts to make sure I didn't leave them in the forks or misplace them, but I think I'm good to go.
Thanks
2005 Suzuki DL1000
1977 GL1000 rider
1977 GL1000 project
1999 WR400 off road
2000 WR400 Supermoto
2003 TTR125 Pit Bike
1984 ATC200M
1977 GL1000 rider
1977 GL1000 project
1999 WR400 off road
2000 WR400 Supermoto
2003 TTR125 Pit Bike
1984 ATC200M