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Re: I know, I know, this has probably talked about before. S
and then there was all the poison the government added to ethanol during prohibition to scare people away from moonshine!
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The question is not how much time do you have, it is what you do with the time that you have Gandalf
"One of the greatest dignities of humankind is that each successive generation is invested in the welfare of each new generation." Fred Rodgers
"it takes 10,000 hours to become an expert" ancient saying
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Re: I know, I know, this has probably talked about before. S
how about dem cubbies
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Re: I know, I know, this has probably talked about before. S
2016!
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all it takes for evil to prosper is the want of a few good men to do nothing-Edmund Burke
The question is not how much time do you have, it is what you do with the time that you have Gandalf
"One of the greatest dignities of humankind is that each successive generation is invested in the welfare of each new generation." Fred Rodgers
"it takes 10,000 hours to become an expert" ancient saying
78 constantly modified/customized since 1978, BOTM June 2015 de-evolving this very moment viewtopic.php?f=30&t=65511
76 Ltd "cookies bike" ALMOST DONE
79 project, finished, FOR SALE
'86 1200 (Beth's)(FOR SALE) with motorvation sidecar (sidecar sold) , July 2017 BOTM
'17 HD Road king and 08 HD Heritage softail (Beth's) (FOR SALE). I guess you can say we have MBS
all it takes for evil to prosper is the want of a few good men to do nothing-Edmund Burke
The question is not how much time do you have, it is what you do with the time that you have Gandalf
"One of the greatest dignities of humankind is that each successive generation is invested in the welfare of each new generation." Fred Rodgers
"it takes 10,000 hours to become an expert" ancient saying
78 constantly modified/customized since 1978, BOTM June 2015 de-evolving this very moment viewtopic.php?f=30&t=65511
76 Ltd "cookies bike" ALMOST DONE
79 project, finished, FOR SALE
'86 1200 (Beth's)(FOR SALE) with motorvation sidecar (sidecar sold) , July 2017 BOTM
'17 HD Road king and 08 HD Heritage softail (Beth's) (FOR SALE). I guess you can say we have MBS
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Re: I know, I know, this has probably talked about before. S
looks like a bottom line comment that explains gw scc best, and applies to this dayClutchnThrottle1305 wrote:But I'm the new guy.
I have a vw with an opposed 4 motor that runs off a single carb and I've seen it done on this bikes on line. I know it would be easier not to have to sink stock carbs. I'd like to get everyone's take on this topic and reasons if I could.
Thanks again...Clutch
from ~ 2010 (easy goog*)
so it comes down to starting with knowns (to work) easily trumps starting with mostly unknowns, for most*it has always been the hope there would be a bolt on plugnplay set up*
CC had one back in the late seventies or about and CI produced one and then went out of business. And there have been many others who have built theirs not so help with an itch,.. but out of being tired of or spending so much money on the Oems so they tried another way
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Doing any conversion like the one with the alt. conversion was not a plug n play, it took patience, tinkering, and the will to succed not matter what one said about it.
and also trumps the simplicity argument,
last post in this thread for me
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Re: I know, I know, this has probably talked about before. S
In italics say's it best, and say's it very well.CYBORG wrote:Some years ago I decided to bite the bullet, and try and understand the goldwing carbs. After I got over that hurdle the carbs became much easier to understand and to work on. Since then I don't see them as a mystery. And I find that a good set of stock carbs work very well, and as intended
Thus far, understanding the application of heat is fully misunderstood.
Until that issue is overcome, this topic will always be controversial.
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Re: I know, I know, this has probably talked about before. S
the application of heat, is only a non stock carb issue, the misunderstanding is actually 2 opposing views in the scc camp, one side sez irrelevant, the other sez must use,
there are also potential carb icing issues that come into the picture with scc setups that, from what i've seen at least, haven't been covered much,
there is no controversy in these areas with stock carb users, the controversies are all with the scc players, or at least the vocal ones,
pro stock carb users prob mostly could care less about general or never ending ongoing issues or differences in the scc camp,
the topic is mostly controversial cos the scc folks mainly slam stock carbs & at the same time don't even have a setup good to go yet, that has been duplicated easily by others
big talk no walk (or very few results) = tune out for most,
then slamming folks who provide both the goods and service, all easily verifiable on the net, no less, good luck to all with that theme, in promoting anything, let alone even showing results
scc has shown nothing other than being a fringe option for very few
there are also potential carb icing issues that come into the picture with scc setups that, from what i've seen at least, haven't been covered much,
there is no controversy in these areas with stock carb users, the controversies are all with the scc players, or at least the vocal ones,
pro stock carb users prob mostly could care less about general or never ending ongoing issues or differences in the scc camp,
the topic is mostly controversial cos the scc folks mainly slam stock carbs & at the same time don't even have a setup good to go yet, that has been duplicated easily by others
big talk no walk (or very few results) = tune out for most,
then slamming folks who provide both the goods and service, all easily verifiable on the net, no less, good luck to all with that theme, in promoting anything, let alone even showing results
scc has shown nothing other than being a fringe option for very few
"there is a Darwinian element"
Yoda said, "There is no try or not try; there is only do or don't do."
=====================
ngw quotes - \ "I will strip the beast" \ "the swingarm is just a hunk of metal" \ "gonna maybe ...dunno yet" \ "It's never done, thats the fun." \ "something about this site brings me back"
Yoda said, "There is no try or not try; there is only do or don't do."
=====================
ngw quotes - \ "I will strip the beast" \ "the swingarm is just a hunk of metal" \ "gonna maybe ...dunno yet" \ "It's never done, thats the fun." \ "something about this site brings me back"
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Re: I know, I know, this has probably talked about before. S
I have come to believe that people do what they understand, and are comfortable with when it comes to fuel systems. It becomes a balance between knowledge, and money. Huge improvements over stock have been achieved in ignition systems, and because of the hard work of a few, many have been able to install new systems that work right out of the box. Not so with carbs. FI conversions work.....but are not cheap to piece together, and require some knowledge to piece together the parts needed. No complete kits available. If you build it will they come? hard to say. Single carbs, duel single carbs, two barrel carbs, four barrel carbs, have all been done by a few, but again no kits available at a reasonable price , that are bolt on and go. I, along with others are waiting. So what is left is a system that was developed by the factory, and came stock with the bikes. If you understand them, they are hard to beat in reliability and performance. If you understand them, they are, and can be amazing.....and they are bolt and go. And are priced right.
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Re: I know, I know, this has probably talked about before. S
And when they're right ..... they stay right for a looooong time .....
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Re: I know, I know, this has probably talked about before. S
I agree. Which translates to more time for other issues
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Re: I know, I know, this has probably talked about before. S
Aren't the factory elbow's heated for a reason?82aspy wrote:the application of heat, is only a non stock carb issue, the misunderstanding is actually 2 opposing views in the scc camp, one side sez irrelevant, the other sez must use,
there are also potential carb icing issues that come into the picture with scc setups that, from what i've seen at least, haven't been covered much,
there is no controversy in these areas with stock carb users, the controversies are all with the scc players, or at least the vocal ones,
pro stock carb users prob mostly could care less about general or never ending ongoing issues or differences in the scc camp,
the topic is mostly controversial cos the scc folks mainly slam stock carbs & at the same time don't even have a setup good to go yet, that has been duplicated easily by others
big talk no walk (or very few results) = tune out for most,
then slamming folks who provide both the goods and service, all easily verifiable on the net, no less, good luck to all with that theme, in promoting anything, let alone even showing results
scc has shown nothing other than being a fringe option for very few
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Re: I know, I know, this has probably talked about before. S
how are the elbows heated?
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Re: I know, I know, this has probably talked about before. S
I fully agree with all point's!CYBORG wrote:I have come to believe that people do what they understand, and are comfortable with when it comes to fuel systems. It becomes a balance between knowledge, and money. Huge improvements over stock have been achieved in ignition systems, and because of the hard work of a few, many have been able to install new systems that work right out of the box. Not so with carbs. FI conversions work.....but are not cheap to piece together, and require some knowledge to piece together the parts needed. No complete kits available. If you build it will they come? hard to say. Single carbs, duel single carbs, two barrel carbs, four barrel carbs, have all been done by a few, but again no kits available at a reasonable price , that are bolt on and go. I, along with others are waiting. So what is left is a system that was developed by the factory, and came stock with the bikes. If you understand them, they are hard to beat in reliability and performance. If you understand them, they are, and can be amazing.....and they are bolt and go. And are priced right.
I've been verbalizing, with emphasis, many of your point's for quite a while now, concluding as most do; one should have their factory rack rebuilt. Not because a conversion won't work, but because most won't have the resources to make a conversion work right.
The elbow's are heated by direct contact with the cylinder head's, by Honda's design, correct?
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Your right. Had not thought about that. The use of an "O" ring allows direct metal to metal contact, and heat transfer
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Re: I know, I know, this has probably talked about before. S
The elbows warm up very fast too. In conditions where the dew point is close to the air temperature, they sure produce plenty of water on the outside of the runners. Not sure if it's the same on the inside, but if it is, I think longer runners would have more trouble?? Honda sure went to a lot of trouble on the 1500 to combat all the negatives. The runners on the 1500 are pretty long, but they're one piece, and their "extras" are as complicated or more than EFI.
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Re: I know, I know, this has probably talked about before. S
Could not the italicized be a issue of perspective that reinforces Cyborg's "biting the bullet" view?ericheath wrote:The elbows warm up very fast too. In conditions where the dew point is close to the air temperature, they sure produce plenty of water on the outside of the runners. Not sure if it's the same on the inside, but if it is, I think longer runners would have more trouble?? Honda sure went to a lot of trouble on the 1500 to combat all the negatives. The runners on the 1500 are pretty long, but they're one piece, and their "extras" are as complicated or more than EFI.