Single Carb Conversion 2 Barrel Progressive, Runs Excellent

This is where discussions of EFI systems, Dual Carbs, Single Carb mods and plans can be discussed and shared.

If you are working on or have a problem with stock carbs then your questions do not belong here, please post them in the Goldwing Tech Discussions Forum.

Moderators: sunnbobb, Neil, Forum Moderators

Post Reply
User avatar
robin1731
Membership Admin
Membership Admin
Posts: 21729
Joined: Mon May 29, 2006 8:31 am
Location: Decatur, Indiana

Re: Single Carb Conversion 2 Barrel Progressive, Runs Excell

#31

Post by robin1731 »

Like you said. Impossible to compare the bikes or the carbs on the same bike. Only with a Dyno can you get accurate info.
1976 Goldwing Super Sport
1985 Honda Elite
1976 KZ900 Dragbike
1992 ZX7 Dragbike (KZ900 style motor w/NOS)
and a rotation of various purchases
Randakk approved Carb Rebuilder
User avatar
westgl
Chrome Member
Chrome Member
Posts: 165
Joined: Fri Mar 20, 2009 12:55 pm
Location: USA Central Point, Oregon 97502

Re: Single Carb Conversion 2 Barrel Progressive, Runs Excell

#32

Post by westgl »

Sure that part is impossible to compare.

But!! There are some compareables, and they are the ones that really matter to me.

If i had to pick one, I would say that, The GL11-1 seamed faster than the GL12-4.

If i had to pick which one is easier to ride it is the GL11-1
Which one is the most Fun to ride, the GL11-1, with a comment
Comment:
The GL12-4 used to be the bike that was more fun to ride for me, I was not entirely happy with the Low overall power and Torque of the GL1100 whenIt had the Rebuilt Oem 4 carbs, in comparison to the GL12-4,Was better, BUT!!! That has changed!

I have had every Goldwing model except F6B.

I have owned a few 6-Cylinder wings, The GL11-1 is Torquey, it has a surprising amount of Torque, from off idle to Redline.

GL11-1 the GL11 is GL1100 the -1 is the single carb conversion

With the Single carb there is a lot more Power & Torque.

The GL11-1 engine does much more right, during a ride, from start up to shut down, Hands down the Winner is the GL11-1 over the GL12-4.

There is now way to describe it to someone that has not ridden one modded correctly, in this manner.



robin1731 wrote:Like you said. Impossible to compare the bikes or the carbs on the same bike. Only with a Dyno can you get accurate info.
Last edited by westgl on Wed Sep 11, 2013 10:09 pm, edited 2 times in total.
1983 GL1100I Beige was an Interstate, Now Naked, Refresh & needs repaint
1984 GL1200A Naked 4Cyl.Valkyrie, Single Valk. seat & Valk. Gas Tank
1986 GL1200 Naked Hotrod with some old school in the mix (Completely gone through) Better than new
1988 GL1500 76 k miles, Naked 6cyl. building into a HotRod trike. (Under Construction)
1999 GL1500 45K miles Runs excellent
2006 M109R 1800cc Naked Reverse Trike
previous bikes, (there are way too many to list)
User avatar
westgl
Chrome Member
Chrome Member
Posts: 165
Joined: Fri Mar 20, 2009 12:55 pm
Location: USA Central Point, Oregon 97502

Re: Single Carb Conversion 2 Barrel Progressive, Runs Excell

#33

Post by westgl »

This was a collaboration of efforts involved, to get the right parts, that are perfectly sized, and matched to make this a winning combination.

There will be naysayers, there always is,

People that regurgitate what they have read, in yesterdays news.

Often they have not had any experience in doing what ever change was made, But can talk negatives about it, all day long.

There at Least 4 people that done this mod to there bikes, using this exact same formula.

If you deviate from the formula, you will not get the same results

This is a very easy, No Welding Involved Manifold to make.

This system gets your runner port size, to the correct size, to make Lots of power all the way through the Power band.
Last edited by westgl on Wed Sep 11, 2013 10:12 pm, edited 1 time in total.
1983 GL1100I Beige was an Interstate, Now Naked, Refresh & needs repaint
1984 GL1200A Naked 4Cyl.Valkyrie, Single Valk. seat & Valk. Gas Tank
1986 GL1200 Naked Hotrod with some old school in the mix (Completely gone through) Better than new
1988 GL1500 76 k miles, Naked 6cyl. building into a HotRod trike. (Under Construction)
1999 GL1500 45K miles Runs excellent
2006 M109R 1800cc Naked Reverse Trike
previous bikes, (there are way too many to list)
User avatar
westgl
Chrome Member
Chrome Member
Posts: 165
Joined: Fri Mar 20, 2009 12:55 pm
Location: USA Central Point, Oregon 97502

Re: Single Carb Conversion 2 Barrel Progressive, Runs Excell

#34

Post by westgl »

This is for Informational purposes Only, Try at Your Own Risk

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Brakes Brakes Brakes Brakes Brakes Brakes Brakes
------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Note if you are thinking of doing this mod.

Please make sure your Brakes and the rest of your bike is in TOP Working order

this responsibility is your own, for anyone that tries this mod.
1983 GL1100I Beige was an Interstate, Now Naked, Refresh & needs repaint
1984 GL1200A Naked 4Cyl.Valkyrie, Single Valk. seat & Valk. Gas Tank
1986 GL1200 Naked Hotrod with some old school in the mix (Completely gone through) Better than new
1988 GL1500 76 k miles, Naked 6cyl. building into a HotRod trike. (Under Construction)
1999 GL1500 45K miles Runs excellent
2006 M109R 1800cc Naked Reverse Trike
previous bikes, (there are way too many to list)
User avatar
ericheath
Honored Life Member
Honored Life Member
Posts: 9581
Joined: Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:20 am
Location: Winnipeg, Manituba

Re: Single Carb Conversion 2 Barrel Progressive, Runs Excell

#35

Post by ericheath »

Glad to see you have the move/shop build done so you can get back to bikes. I'd like to see some shots of the whole bike.
Whatever I suggest here should be given ample time for a moderator to delicately correct. I apologize in advance.
77 WING, 1200 engine with 77 heads, cams, gl1100 foot pegs, Magna V65 front end, 764A carbs, [-gone Suzuki M109 monoshock--, replaced with gl1100 shocks] gl 1200 swing arm, gl1500 final drive, wheel and rear brakes Valkyrie seat, Meanstreak tank, Sportster pipes, Power Arc ignition off crank.
77 Wing. black
83 Wing, in pieces
"Continuing education is important even if the subject matter is fairly useless (as in this case)."---Greg Foresi
User avatar
westgl
Chrome Member
Chrome Member
Posts: 165
Joined: Fri Mar 20, 2009 12:55 pm
Location: USA Central Point, Oregon 97502

Re: Single Carb Conversion 2 Barrel Progressive, Runs Excell

#36

Post by westgl »

OK eric

Are you following from classicGoldwing forum too

Your bike sure looks familiar in avatar.

I have some older pics here they are

This was right after i went through the bike rebuilt or replace everything
Attachments
P1010201 Compress 398k.jpg
P1010201 Compress 398k.jpg (97.45 KiB) Viewed 887 times
P1010203 Compress 398k.jpg
P1010203 Compress 398k.jpg (95.63 KiB) Viewed 887 times
P1010205 Compress 478k.jpg
P1010205 Compress 478k.jpg (69.6 KiB) Viewed 887 times
P1010207 Compress 398k.jpg
P1010207 Compress 398k.jpg (82.18 KiB) Viewed 887 times
1983 GL1100I Beige was an Interstate, Now Naked, Refresh & needs repaint
1984 GL1200A Naked 4Cyl.Valkyrie, Single Valk. seat & Valk. Gas Tank
1986 GL1200 Naked Hotrod with some old school in the mix (Completely gone through) Better than new
1988 GL1500 76 k miles, Naked 6cyl. building into a HotRod trike. (Under Construction)
1999 GL1500 45K miles Runs excellent
2006 M109R 1800cc Naked Reverse Trike
previous bikes, (there are way too many to list)
User avatar
robin1731
Membership Admin
Membership Admin
Posts: 21729
Joined: Mon May 29, 2006 8:31 am
Location: Decatur, Indiana

Re: Single Carb Conversion 2 Barrel Progressive, Runs Excell

#37

Post by robin1731 »

westgl wrote:snip.......

There will be naysayers, there always is,

People that regurgitate what they have read, in yesterdays news.
ok
1976 Goldwing Super Sport
1985 Honda Elite
1976 KZ900 Dragbike
1992 ZX7 Dragbike (KZ900 style motor w/NOS)
and a rotation of various purchases
Randakk approved Carb Rebuilder
User avatar
westgl
Chrome Member
Chrome Member
Posts: 165
Joined: Fri Mar 20, 2009 12:55 pm
Location: USA Central Point, Oregon 97502

Re: Single Carb Conversion 2 Barrel Progressive, Runs Excell

#38

Post by westgl »

here are some pics of my 86' GL1200

This may get a single Carb Conversion, if the OEM Carbs i rebuilt start giving me troubles, they are GONE!!!!!!

You can see my GL1100 being torn down engine was still in but came out soon after.
Attachments
P1000972 Document Compressed.jpg
P1000972 Document Compressed.jpg (99.32 KiB) Viewed 886 times
P1000975 Document compression.jpg
P1000975 Document compression.jpg (94.92 KiB) Viewed 886 times
P1000976 Document compression License Black.jpg
P1000976 Document compression License Black.jpg (49.7 KiB) Viewed 886 times
P1000980 Document compression Black License plate.jpg
P1000980 Document compression Black License plate.jpg (59.73 KiB) Viewed 886 times
P1000981 License black Web Page.jpg
P1000981 License black Web Page.jpg (57.61 KiB) Viewed 886 times
1983 GL1100I Beige was an Interstate, Now Naked, Refresh & needs repaint
1984 GL1200A Naked 4Cyl.Valkyrie, Single Valk. seat & Valk. Gas Tank
1986 GL1200 Naked Hotrod with some old school in the mix (Completely gone through) Better than new
1988 GL1500 76 k miles, Naked 6cyl. building into a HotRod trike. (Under Construction)
1999 GL1500 45K miles Runs excellent
2006 M109R 1800cc Naked Reverse Trike
previous bikes, (there are way too many to list)
User avatar
westgl
Chrome Member
Chrome Member
Posts: 165
Joined: Fri Mar 20, 2009 12:55 pm
Location: USA Central Point, Oregon 97502

Re: Single Carb Conversion 2 Barrel Progressive, Runs Excell

#39

Post by westgl »

some more New of my Black Cherry

also a shot of my Brother in-laws Bike That I redid for him a 75' GL1000 also completely Gone through
Attachments
P1010037 Compressed 398K.jpg
P1010037 Compressed 398K.jpg (92.61 KiB) Viewed 885 times
P1010039 Compress 398k.jpg
P1010039 Compress 398k.jpg (98.35 KiB) Viewed 885 times
P1010038 Compress 398KB.jpg
P1010038 Compress 398KB.jpg (93.55 KiB) Viewed 885 times
P1010041 Compress 398KB.jpg
P1010041 Compress 398KB.jpg (105.12 KiB) Viewed 885 times
1983 GL1100I Beige was an Interstate, Now Naked, Refresh & needs repaint
1984 GL1200A Naked 4Cyl.Valkyrie, Single Valk. seat & Valk. Gas Tank
1986 GL1200 Naked Hotrod with some old school in the mix (Completely gone through) Better than new
1988 GL1500 76 k miles, Naked 6cyl. building into a HotRod trike. (Under Construction)
1999 GL1500 45K miles Runs excellent
2006 M109R 1800cc Naked Reverse Trike
previous bikes, (there are way too many to list)
User avatar
westgl
Chrome Member
Chrome Member
Posts: 165
Joined: Fri Mar 20, 2009 12:55 pm
Location: USA Central Point, Oregon 97502

Re: Single Carb Conversion 2 Barrel Progressive, Runs Excell

#40

Post by westgl »

here are some more of the 75' GL1000

I painted frame gas tank and engine,

Brother in law wanted something Very Bright

Swing arm and drive are also yellow

We bought the bikefor $150.00
The engine was frozen
I put in a new, or rebuilt the whole bike.
clutch
Gregs stator
rebulit brake masters and calipers, removed glazing from brake discs.
rebuilt Carb rack using Randaak kit
rebuilt heads new seals
new progressive front and rear suspension
new tapered head bearings
stainless steel brake lines
and many other things
Attachments
P1010235 Compressed.jpg
P1010235 Compressed.jpg (78.09 KiB) Viewed 883 times
P1010232 Compressed.jpg
P1010232 Compressed.jpg (78.44 KiB) Viewed 883 times
P1010248 Compressed.jpg
P1010248 Compressed.jpg (86.19 KiB) Viewed 883 times
P1010249 Compress 298k.jpg
P1010249 Compress 298k.jpg (86.1 KiB) Viewed 883 times
P1010250Compress 298k.jpg
P1010250Compress 298k.jpg (85.87 KiB) Viewed 883 times
1983 GL1100I Beige was an Interstate, Now Naked, Refresh & needs repaint
1984 GL1200A Naked 4Cyl.Valkyrie, Single Valk. seat & Valk. Gas Tank
1986 GL1200 Naked Hotrod with some old school in the mix (Completely gone through) Better than new
1988 GL1500 76 k miles, Naked 6cyl. building into a HotRod trike. (Under Construction)
1999 GL1500 45K miles Runs excellent
2006 M109R 1800cc Naked Reverse Trike
previous bikes, (there are way too many to list)
User avatar
westgl
Chrome Member
Chrome Member
Posts: 165
Joined: Fri Mar 20, 2009 12:55 pm
Location: USA Central Point, Oregon 97502

Re: Single Carb Conversion 2 Barrel Progressive, Runs Excell

#41

Post by westgl »

Yes my shop grew from a 1000 sq ft shop,
Into a 3200 sq ft shop, fully insulated, heated with lot of lighting

Will be heated, setup, but PO took the heater with him.

I will convert to a Waste OIL Heater using the waste engine oil, as it is free fuel.

They are cheap to make too
ericheath wrote:Glad to see you have the move/shop build done so you can get back to bikes. I'd like to see some shots of the whole bike.
1983 GL1100I Beige was an Interstate, Now Naked, Refresh & needs repaint
1984 GL1200A Naked 4Cyl.Valkyrie, Single Valk. seat & Valk. Gas Tank
1986 GL1200 Naked Hotrod with some old school in the mix (Completely gone through) Better than new
1988 GL1500 76 k miles, Naked 6cyl. building into a HotRod trike. (Under Construction)
1999 GL1500 45K miles Runs excellent
2006 M109R 1800cc Naked Reverse Trike
previous bikes, (there are way too many to list)
User avatar
westgl
Chrome Member
Chrome Member
Posts: 165
Joined: Fri Mar 20, 2009 12:55 pm
Location: USA Central Point, Oregon 97502

Re: Single Carb Conversion 2 Barrel Progressive, Runs Excell

#42

Post by westgl »

I re-Routed My Pull Throttle cable through the Front above the radiator, This works well, But the OEM cable is a little to long.

I will need to research this to get a shorter cable, about 4" or so shorter should do it
I will have to measure how much shorter then go through some Cable Manufacturer catalogs like Motion pro and some others, to get the perfect Length of cable.

I may Cut the cable to length, and crimp/swedge on a new cable end

OR

The better way, that is cheaper, and a DIY,
Is to,

High Temp Silver Solder, a new end on.
Note: Regular Solder is to soft and Wont hold.

Get a piece of Brass rod the diameter needed to fit in the Throttle Uni-Kit.

Cut the Brass rod to length, drill hole the size of the cable dia. for a tight fit.

Then High temp silver solder, it should last a very long time.

See the link below, to see what I am talking about

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... y27QZOCl50
1983 GL1100I Beige was an Interstate, Now Naked, Refresh & needs repaint
1984 GL1200A Naked 4Cyl.Valkyrie, Single Valk. seat & Valk. Gas Tank
1986 GL1200 Naked Hotrod with some old school in the mix (Completely gone through) Better than new
1988 GL1500 76 k miles, Naked 6cyl. building into a HotRod trike. (Under Construction)
1999 GL1500 45K miles Runs excellent
2006 M109R 1800cc Naked Reverse Trike
previous bikes, (there are way too many to list)
User avatar
westgl
Chrome Member
Chrome Member
Posts: 165
Joined: Fri Mar 20, 2009 12:55 pm
Location: USA Central Point, Oregon 97502

Re: Single Carb Conversion 2 Barrel Progressive, Runs Excell

#43

Post by westgl »

My Ultimate Goal in doing this Single Carb. Conversion.

Is to have my GL1100 Better, to Much Better than it was in the Completely re-built stock OEM format that I had it in, prior to single carb. conversion.

Before the Single carb conversion I was not real happy with the GL1100 and was thinking about dumping it, getting rid of it.

I have a GL1200 that at that time ran better, Now the GL11-1 runs much better than the GL1200.

What will my GL1200 be like if i do this 1carb. mod to it? Whow!!!

I was thinking of Selling my GL1100, before the 1-carb conversion to the highest bidder just to get rid of it, i was not happy with it

I had already spent a lot of money on it, to get as far as it was by re-building everything.

Including those OEM-4 carbs (Dang Cod catchers)

But People Don't tell you, when you start on those OEM-4 carbs, How much work is Involved, After the Rebuild, Just keeping those OEM 4 carbs going.

I have had to pull the rack after a 4 month, winter storage, Even with stabil in the tank

Ultimate Goal Has Been Achieved,

I would Not sell my GL11-1 now at all, it is too Much Fun.
1983 GL1100I Beige was an Interstate, Now Naked, Refresh & needs repaint
1984 GL1200A Naked 4Cyl.Valkyrie, Single Valk. seat & Valk. Gas Tank
1986 GL1200 Naked Hotrod with some old school in the mix (Completely gone through) Better than new
1988 GL1500 76 k miles, Naked 6cyl. building into a HotRod trike. (Under Construction)
1999 GL1500 45K miles Runs excellent
2006 M109R 1800cc Naked Reverse Trike
previous bikes, (there are way too many to list)
User avatar
westgl
Chrome Member
Chrome Member
Posts: 165
Joined: Fri Mar 20, 2009 12:55 pm
Location: USA Central Point, Oregon 97502

Re: Single Carb Conversion 2 Barrel Progressive, Runs Excell

#44

Post by westgl »

OK went for a ride, had a minor Snafu.

I was riding and noticed Temp Gauge was pegged, Hot or Low Hot, just right before the Red line,

Gas gauge went from start of ride at 3/4 tank, to Full or Past Full, while riding.

I think i have the dreaded,

7-Volt Regulator Malfunction!

Nice!!
1983 GL1100I Beige was an Interstate, Now Naked, Refresh & needs repaint
1984 GL1200A Naked 4Cyl.Valkyrie, Single Valk. seat & Valk. Gas Tank
1986 GL1200 Naked Hotrod with some old school in the mix (Completely gone through) Better than new
1988 GL1500 76 k miles, Naked 6cyl. building into a HotRod trike. (Under Construction)
1999 GL1500 45K miles Runs excellent
2006 M109R 1800cc Naked Reverse Trike
previous bikes, (there are way too many to list)
User avatar
westgl
Chrome Member
Chrome Member
Posts: 165
Joined: Fri Mar 20, 2009 12:55 pm
Location: USA Central Point, Oregon 97502

Re: Single Carb Conversion 2 Barrel Progressive, Runs Excell

#45

Post by westgl »

Just came back another test Ride this morning.

Bike ran great, No Leaks of fuel Any where, or Hydrolock

I can feel that the engine is running Great

I wish i could figure out how to post a video of a running bike.

But let me let the engine speak for it self .

Here is a pic. of two plugs, the other side looked the same.

They are out of the two right side Cylinders

That is about 150miles on the GL11-1 conversion

Riding on Primary some and going between the Primary and secondary.

One plug in each cyl. is slightly more tan than the other, but the other is still burning very good.

Picture does not show well as back ground and lighting does not show it well.

How do they look?

These pic.'s dont do it justice

They look better in person.

The engine is running real happy
Attachments
P1020022 1 comp 77k.jpg
P1020022 1 comp 77k.jpg (47.76 KiB) Viewed 865 times
P1020023 1 comp 77k.jpg
P1020023 1 comp 77k.jpg (57.56 KiB) Viewed 865 times
1983 GL1100I Beige was an Interstate, Now Naked, Refresh & needs repaint
1984 GL1200A Naked 4Cyl.Valkyrie, Single Valk. seat & Valk. Gas Tank
1986 GL1200 Naked Hotrod with some old school in the mix (Completely gone through) Better than new
1988 GL1500 76 k miles, Naked 6cyl. building into a HotRod trike. (Under Construction)
1999 GL1500 45K miles Runs excellent
2006 M109R 1800cc Naked Reverse Trike
previous bikes, (there are way too many to list)
Post Reply
  • Similar Topics
    Replies
    Views
    Last post

Return to “Unique Carburetion”