Crank but wont start
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Crank but wont start
So I'm working on my first ever GL 1100 restoration. After weeks of sorting out a wiring mess I finally got the start button to work. The engine will turn over but wont start. Its def getting spark and fuel, theres a small leak in one of the carbs. I also changed out the timing belt, If i goofed something up there i'm assuming that would cause the engine not to fire. Am I on the right path for trouble shooting? TIA
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Re: Crank but wont start
all 4 Cylinders' compression testing numbers are? " I also changed out the timing belt," One or two?
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New users please visit our "Shop Talk" for common tips and help: <---jdvorchak
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RE: a thorough fuel tank cleaning
"And your carbs will thank you. They no longer live down stream from a sewage plant." -gregforesi
"Can't see the paint when your looking thru the handlebars..........." -Oldewing
"I'd rather Ride than Shine" -RAT Me Too!!
Cliff
'75 GL1000 home built trike; http://www.ngwclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=39996
October,2017 BOTM https://nakedgoldwingsclub.com/forum/page/Welcome
previous rides:
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Re: Crank but wont start
Changed both timing belts. I have not done a compression test yet.
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Re: Crank but wont start
Ok. Check all 8 valves' lash clearance first.
You probably know this already...
Hold throttle wide open and choke completely off ( pushed in ) when performing cylinders compression testing.
You probably know this already...
Hold throttle wide open and choke completely off ( pushed in ) when performing cylinders compression testing.
Cliff (74yrs )
Keep your eyes and ears open and you'll learn something new, everyday.
New users please visit our "Shop Talk" for common tips and help: <---jdvorchak
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RE: a thorough fuel tank cleaning
"And your carbs will thank you. They no longer live down stream from a sewage plant." -gregforesi
"Can't see the paint when your looking thru the handlebars..........." -Oldewing
"I'd rather Ride than Shine" -RAT Me Too!!
Cliff
'75 GL1000 home built trike; http://www.ngwclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=39996
October,2017 BOTM https://nakedgoldwingsclub.com/forum/page/Welcome
previous rides:
1953 H-D Servi-car, naked, 1969-1978 (serial#53G1559 committed to memory!)
1980 CB900 Custom (triked) 1997-2003 .... R.I.P.
Keep your eyes and ears open and you'll learn something new, everyday.
New users please visit our "Shop Talk" for common tips and help: <---jdvorchak
http://www.ngwclub.com/forum/page/ST
^^^^^^^click up here^^^^^
RE: a thorough fuel tank cleaning
"And your carbs will thank you. They no longer live down stream from a sewage plant." -gregforesi
"Can't see the paint when your looking thru the handlebars..........." -Oldewing
"I'd rather Ride than Shine" -RAT Me Too!!
Cliff
'75 GL1000 home built trike; http://www.ngwclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=39996
October,2017 BOTM https://nakedgoldwingsclub.com/forum/page/Welcome
previous rides:
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1980 CB900 Custom (triked) 1997-2003 .... R.I.P.
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Re: Crank but wont start
are you sure you have spark on all cylinders? the 1100's had an electronic ignition. Also, when you changed the timing belts are you sure you had everything TDC? also (I am not an 1100 expert) but valve adjustment?
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The question is not how much time do you have, it is what you do with the time that you have Gandalf
"One of the greatest dignities of humankind is that each successive generation is invested in the welfare of each new generation." Fred Rodgers
"it takes 10,000 hours to become an expert" ancient saying
78 constantly modified/customized since 1978, BOTM June 2015 de-evolving this very moment viewtopic.php?f=30&t=65511
76 Ltd "cookies bike" ALMOST DONE
79 project, finished, FOR SALE
'86 1200 (Beth's)(FOR SALE) with motorvation sidecar (sidecar sold) , July 2017 BOTM
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Re: Crank but wont start
Finally got around to checking spark and compression. I have good spark on all four cylinders but I also have low compression on all four. 60 psi in the front and 90psi in the rear cylinders. I guess I’ll check the valve clearance next, the bike had been sitting up for an unknown amount of time. What else should I be checking?
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Re: Crank but wont start
Riding it for 1000 miles may help compression. Get to it.
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Re: Crank but wont start
https://www.randakksblog.com/starting-a ... ng-lay-up/
I'm a big fan of this procedure. If you give it a shot you probably will be too.
I'm a big fan of this procedure. If you give it a shot you probably will be too.
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Re: Crank but wont start
mr. Shadowknws29 ,
I went back through your posts to discover what you have accomplished to this date.
I found the fuel system required attention. (No mention, though, of the fuel tank's internal condition.)
-bike's Carburetors needed refurbishing was mentioned. A Randakk kit and video had been procured. Done now? Yes. Yes?
If Yes, when they were reinstalled onto the engine, were their fuel bowls filled with gasoline before the engine was cranked for first attempts to start? If you rely upon the engine's mechanical fuel pump to initially fill all 4 carburetors' fuel bowls , it will take much longer than a new owner would expect just to get the engine to stumble to life.
https://ngwclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7436 Set all 8 valves' lash clearance at 0.006in.
Now, re-test all 4 cylinders for their cranking compression reading numbers, again. Post the new results here.
Utilize a screw-in compression testing adapter type gauge. The best for accuracy compression testing gauge adapter will be one with 12mm threads, -with an integral Schrader type check valve-, that screws directly into the spark plug hole.
Throttle always held wide open and the choke button pushed completely in.
Crank the engine over with a fully charged battery, continuing until the pressure gauge needle will no longer advance any higher on the gauge face numbers.
see my post #367, titled: Trike's engine, cylinder compression testing video and photos
viewtopic.php?f=30&t=39996&start=360
I went back through your posts to discover what you have accomplished to this date.
I found the fuel system required attention. (No mention, though, of the fuel tank's internal condition.)
Shadowknws29 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 26, 2022 7:26 pm This is my first restoration and I’m probably doing it all wrong lol. My wife said she was going to help and so far she has cleaned exactly one piece of chrome lol. I’ve bounced around from cosmetic to mechanical but I’ve buckled down and I’m focusing on getting the motor and wiring together so I can do a test start and check my first carb rebuild for leaks and such. Purchased all the carb parts from Randakks along with the rebuild manual.Thoughts and advice welcomed.
Shadowknws29 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 9:59 am So I'm working on my first ever GL 1100 restoration. After weeks of sorting out a wiring mess I finally got the start button to work. The engine will turn over but wont start. Its def getting spark and fuel, theres a small leak in one of the carbs. I also changed out the timing belt, If i goofed something up there i'm assuming that would cause the engine not to fire. Am I on the right path for trouble shooting? TIA
-bike's Carburetors needed refurbishing was mentioned. A Randakk kit and video had been procured. Done now? Yes. Yes?
If Yes, when they were reinstalled onto the engine, were their fuel bowls filled with gasoline before the engine was cranked for first attempts to start? If you rely upon the engine's mechanical fuel pump to initially fill all 4 carburetors' fuel bowls , it will take much longer than a new owner would expect just to get the engine to stumble to life.
Set all 8 valves' lash clearance at 0.006in. NIKE says, Just Do It. Done? . If you need valve lash adjustment information, here's one of our Esteemed Members' work.Shadowknws29 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 9:16 pmFinally got around to checking spark and compression. I have good spark on all four cylinders but I also have low compression on all four. 60 psi in the front and 90psi in the rear cylinders. I guess I’ll check the valve clearance next, the bike had been sitting up for an unknown amount of time.
https://ngwclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7436 Set all 8 valves' lash clearance at 0.006in.
Now, re-test all 4 cylinders for their cranking compression reading numbers, again. Post the new results here.
Utilize a screw-in compression testing adapter type gauge. The best for accuracy compression testing gauge adapter will be one with 12mm threads, -with an integral Schrader type check valve-, that screws directly into the spark plug hole.
Throttle always held wide open and the choke button pushed completely in.
Crank the engine over with a fully charged battery, continuing until the pressure gauge needle will no longer advance any higher on the gauge face numbers.
see my post #367, titled: Trike's engine, cylinder compression testing video and photos
viewtopic.php?f=30&t=39996&start=360
Cliff (74yrs )
Keep your eyes and ears open and you'll learn something new, everyday.
New users please visit our "Shop Talk" for common tips and help: <---jdvorchak
http://www.ngwclub.com/forum/page/ST
^^^^^^^click up here^^^^^
RE: a thorough fuel tank cleaning
"And your carbs will thank you. They no longer live down stream from a sewage plant." -gregforesi
"Can't see the paint when your looking thru the handlebars..........." -Oldewing
"I'd rather Ride than Shine" -RAT Me Too!!
Cliff
'75 GL1000 home built trike; http://www.ngwclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=39996
October,2017 BOTM https://nakedgoldwingsclub.com/forum/page/Welcome
previous rides:
1953 H-D Servi-car, naked, 1969-1978 (serial#53G1559 committed to memory!)
1980 CB900 Custom (triked) 1997-2003 .... R.I.P.
Keep your eyes and ears open and you'll learn something new, everyday.
New users please visit our "Shop Talk" for common tips and help: <---jdvorchak
http://www.ngwclub.com/forum/page/ST
^^^^^^^click up here^^^^^
RE: a thorough fuel tank cleaning
"And your carbs will thank you. They no longer live down stream from a sewage plant." -gregforesi
"Can't see the paint when your looking thru the handlebars..........." -Oldewing
"I'd rather Ride than Shine" -RAT Me Too!!
Cliff
'75 GL1000 home built trike; http://www.ngwclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=39996
October,2017 BOTM https://nakedgoldwingsclub.com/forum/page/Welcome
previous rides:
1953 H-D Servi-car, naked, 1969-1978 (serial#53G1559 committed to memory!)
1980 CB900 Custom (triked) 1997-2003 .... R.I.P.
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Re: Crank but wont start
Shadowknws29 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 9:59 am So I'm working on my first ever GL 1100 restoration. After weeks of sorting out a wiring mess I finally got the start button to work. The engine will turn over but wont start. Its def getting spark and fuel, theres a small leak in one of the carbs. I also changed out the timing belt, If i goofed something up there i'm assuming that would cause the engine not to fire. Am I on the right path for trouble shooting? TIA
Shadowknws29 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 9:16 pmFinally got around to checking spark and compression. I have good spark on all four cylinders but I also have low compression on all four. 60 psi in the front and 90psi in the rear cylinders. I guess I’ll check the valve clearance next, the bike had been sitting up for an unknown amount of time. What else should I be checking?
Asking for a follow-up now. Were you successful to eventually start the engine ?
Cliff (74yrs )
Keep your eyes and ears open and you'll learn something new, everyday.
New users please visit our "Shop Talk" for common tips and help: <---jdvorchak
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^^^^^^^click up here^^^^^
RE: a thorough fuel tank cleaning
"And your carbs will thank you. They no longer live down stream from a sewage plant." -gregforesi
"Can't see the paint when your looking thru the handlebars..........." -Oldewing
"I'd rather Ride than Shine" -RAT Me Too!!
Cliff
'75 GL1000 home built trike; http://www.ngwclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=39996
October,2017 BOTM https://nakedgoldwingsclub.com/forum/page/Welcome
previous rides:
1953 H-D Servi-car, naked, 1969-1978 (serial#53G1559 committed to memory!)
1980 CB900 Custom (triked) 1997-2003 .... R.I.P.
Keep your eyes and ears open and you'll learn something new, everyday.
New users please visit our "Shop Talk" for common tips and help: <---jdvorchak
http://www.ngwclub.com/forum/page/ST
^^^^^^^click up here^^^^^
RE: a thorough fuel tank cleaning
"And your carbs will thank you. They no longer live down stream from a sewage plant." -gregforesi
"Can't see the paint when your looking thru the handlebars..........." -Oldewing
"I'd rather Ride than Shine" -RAT Me Too!!
Cliff
'75 GL1000 home built trike; http://www.ngwclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=39996
October,2017 BOTM https://nakedgoldwingsclub.com/forum/page/Welcome
previous rides:
1953 H-D Servi-car, naked, 1969-1978 (serial#53G1559 committed to memory!)
1980 CB900 Custom (triked) 1997-2003 .... R.I.P.
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