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Re: My adventure begins

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We hate sparks :IDTS:
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I believe that was the issue. This morning I put new terminals on and bent that tab down for now. I rode about 40 miles without killing at all. So thanks Track and all for the help. It's on to the list of things to do in her while still getting some ride time in before the snow flies. I just can't get over how smooth this bike is compared to the 900 custom it's like driving a Cadillac now!
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I'm in the same boat with you on electrical. Far as I'm concerned, it's all magic. But because of that, I would recommend buying a halfway-decent meter. They're like 20 bucks for a "good enough" model, and you go from-

"I know nothing about electrical"

to

"I STILL know nothing about electrical, but can rule out some basic stuff, and spit numbers to people who DO know something about electrical.

But I do have to agree- aren't those Sulfur Yellow's pretty? I definitely like mine... ;)
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I agree Lucien, the Sulfer Yellow's are head turner's, and I need a meter. When I was getting some electric supplies I was looking at them. I'm not even sure which one to get, all I know is how to test fuses. But I can tell that I'm going to have to learn a lot more if I want to get yellow #2 running. The PO had stuck in the garage 10 years ago after his brother slid it into a ditch and bent/broke the handle bars. He became frustrated trying to repair the controls so there are a bunch of wires sticking out all over the front cover. I don't think that one will be as smooth as this one to get running. But at least he bought all the parts, hopefully...
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AC, DC, and Resistance checks are all I really use. Most places sell a multimeter that do all 3 for less than $25. Heck, I don't use most of the options mine has, but necessary if you're chasing sparks.

Colored wiring diagrams are also awesome.
1997 Valkyrie- Light Cutomization, but Too Busy Riding
1980 KZ1300- Bike's Haunted
1976 GL1000 (Yellow)- It Runs (Poorly) and Doesn't Leak (Mostly)
1974 Velosolex 3800- Better Than Walking
1972 CB750- Broke the Chain And Ate the Motor
1969 CT90- The Most Fun You Can Have on 90ccs.
1965 CA77 Dream- Needs a Full Teardown, but Complete

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Lucien Harpress wrote:AC, DC, and Resistance checks are all I really use. Most places sell a multimeter that do all 3 for less than $25. Heck, I don't use most of the options mine has, but necessary if you're chasing sparks.

Colored wiring diagrams are also awesome.
Not sure if it was mentioned in this thread before, but Shop Talk has a link to colorized wiring diagrams for all the 1000 and 1100 Wings. As Lucien says, they are very helpful! Glad we could help get you in the saddle!
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'Layla' - '81 Standard w/dealer installed fairing and Hondaline bags.
'Scarlett' '76 'Survivor' nekkid as a j-bird!

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'77 gl1000, roller parts bike.
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'82 gl1100I, My first 'Wing, and an expensive lesson!
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Thanks for the info on the colorized diagram. I'm sure that it will be useful and much less confusing than my manuals schematic. No more sparks or stalling since the rewiring of the fuse in question.

I have an issue when starting once in a while where it start cranking and like siezes up and won't turn again. I take the kick starter out and turn a couple revolutions then I can use the starter again. I'm guessing it a bad starter and I can try one off another bike, but worries me because it's very difficult to get the crank to move once this happens. It's not often but a pain to keep doing that.

Other than that just a noise like ticking when idling after a ride in neutral. Sounds like coming from the back clutch area...

Mind you I've less than 100 miles driven since the start up after a 10 year layup.
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Could possibly be leaking fuel into a cylinder. Enough to let it hydrolock a bit. Turning it then with the kick starter pushes it slowly and harder enough to move it past the exhaust valve. Do you turn the fuel off when it isn't running? Have you looked inside the carb plenum to see if it is wet with fuel?

Worst case there could be coolant leaking in to a cylinder and doing the same thing.

Either way check to see if that is the case. It is possible to bend a rod if too much fuel/coolant gets in and you hit the starter and it doesn't compress.

Other possibility is ignition timing. Not sure what all you have done yet.

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Graham Cracker wrote:We hate sparks :IDTS:
once the smoke gets out it won't be a problem lolol
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robin1731 wrote:Could possibly be leaking fuel into a cylinder. Enough to let it hydrolock a bit. Turning it then with the kick starter pushes it slowly and harder enough to move it past the exhaust valve. Do you turn the fuel off when it isn't running? Have you looked inside the carb plenum to see if it is wet with fuel?

Worst case there could be coolant leaking in to a cylinder and doing the same thing.

Either way check to see if that is the case. It is possible to bend a rod if too much fuel/coolant gets in and you hit the starter and it doesn't compress.

Other possibility is ignition timing. Not sure what all you have done yet.

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I've tried shutting the gas off when it's not running and the Petcock must be bad because it won't shut off. Now I noticed a small amount of gas dripping off one of the carbs onto the engine when it's not on the center stand. Maybe it is fuel leaking into the cylinder like you said. Sometimes it will smoke (white) upon first starting just on one side. After a ride it will stop smoking. It idles smooth and runs fine but I noticed when draining the bowls out before the Chem Tool Clean that I wasn't able to shut the fuel off.

I have only changed the belts, oil, coolant exhaust, tires, brakes and front forks so far. I feel lucky to be riding it now without paying someone to work on it. Hopefully I'll get these issues squared away then can look at getting it dialed in.
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Forget your perfect offering
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That’s how the light gets in.
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No good can come from a faulty petcock - coupled with a float needle that won't seal (and it sounds like you have both maladies).

This is a recipe for disaster. Do a search on hydrolock. As it relates to Goldwings, the two aforementioned conditions allow fuel to collect in the affected cylinder. When you try to start, the liquid won't compress, so something has to give. Usually, it's a bent rod. Definitely ungood. If you haven't done damage so far, consider yourself very lucky given what you've described.

This is something you should sort out immediately. You should have no higher priority. At the very least, rebuild or replace the petcock and SHUT IT OFF after every ride.
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desertrefugee wrote:No good can come from a faulty petcock - coupled with a float needle that won't seal (and it sounds like you have both maladies).

This is a recipe for disaster. Do a search on hydrolock. As it relates to Goldwings, the two aforementioned conditions allow fuel to collect in the affected cylinder. When you try to start, the liquid won't compress, so something has to give. Usually, it's a bent rod. Definitely ungood. If you haven't done damage so far, consider yourself very lucky given what you've described.

This is something you should sort out immediately. You should have no higher priority. At the very least, rebuild or replace the petcock and SHUT IT OFF after every ride.
I whole heartedly agree with the above. Leaking fuel is also a fire hazard... use a vise-grip for a temporary fix.

One option you might consider is picking up an in-line fuel shutoff. Most places that sell small engine parts/lawn and garden stuff (like Farm and Fleet) carry them, and they are quick and easy to install. I used them on a past bike for an entire summer with no problems. Obviously, this won't fix the carb issues, though...
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Current Rides:
'Grumpy' - '81 Standard, now fully dressed.
'Layla' - '81 Standard w/dealer installed fairing and Hondaline bags.
'Scarlett' '76 'Survivor' nekkid as a j-bird!

Under Construction:
The 'Jalopy' '78-'79 Mash-up
'Quikie' '81 gl1100I back on the lift, project with the step-son!

In The Shed:
'81 gl1100I barn find aka "Josie, the farmer's daughter." (almost comatose build)
'77 gl1000, roller parts bike.
'82 gl1100I, 'Old Crusty' titled roller parts bike (free!)
'82 gl1100I, My first 'Wing, and an expensive lesson!
New2U Bike? Read Me.
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A new valve on its way and the leak only just appeared after it was on the kickstand not the centerstand which is usually how I keep it and doesn't leak. It appeared that the linkage was wet not on the engine under the carbs so I'll do some more investigating on that after I install the new petcock.

Thanks for all the input from you all. Definitely don't need any fire hazards!
Brad

Ring the bells that still can ring
Forget your perfect offering
There is a crack in everything
That’s how the light gets in.
~ Leonard Cohen

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Back on the road this week and what beautiful weather for that. Too nice to work on them need to ride Old Yellow on this 76 deg Indian Summer here great colors and southern wind extends our season. The new petcock did the trick no more hydrolock and the driveway is better for it too. Thanks again for the help diagnosing. I'm thinking of bringing the two inside the house this winter to finish them. I have a lower level walkout and should be able to put some plastic and malonine down and drive them in the theater room. I put the Vetter on and man does that hold a lot of stuff, maybe I'll keep it on for a while.
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Ring the bells that still can ring
Forget your perfect offering
There is a crack in everything
That’s how the light gets in.
~ Leonard Cohen

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Saturday was a beautiful day for riding! The one nice thing about the Vetter bags is that you can pop the whole rig on and off fairly easily, and they do come in handy! One word of caution, though; make sure the frame is fastened securely and adjusted properly. A coworker of mine narrowly avoided disaster several years ago when the entire rig nearly fell off...
While I don't have a walk-in basement, I do most of my 'clean' work in my basement workshop. It gets kind of stuffed this time of year, lol.
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Current Rides:
'Grumpy' - '81 Standard, now fully dressed.
'Layla' - '81 Standard w/dealer installed fairing and Hondaline bags.
'Scarlett' '76 'Survivor' nekkid as a j-bird!

Under Construction:
The 'Jalopy' '78-'79 Mash-up
'Quikie' '81 gl1100I back on the lift, project with the step-son!

In The Shed:
'81 gl1100I barn find aka "Josie, the farmer's daughter." (almost comatose build)
'77 gl1000, roller parts bike.
'82 gl1100I, 'Old Crusty' titled roller parts bike (free!)
'82 gl1100I, My first 'Wing, and an expensive lesson!
New2U Bike? Read Me.
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