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Re: Maybe I'll call it Threedom?

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Way to follow orders my friend. Quite an accomplishment for sure. You should be proud!
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Re: Maybe I'll call it Threedom?

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Re: Maybe I'll call it Threedom?

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This Spring has been an increasingly interesting time of discovery for me and trike. Last November, It and I had achieved 25,000 miles riding since trikification was accomplished in 2012. Started the adventure, on Veterans' Day,'12, with 7,831 miles on the odometer. It has exhibited no significant issues directly related to the home built transformation during, now, the last 26,300 miles. anyway....

First thing, I started this new season with a different set of mufflers. Removed the constantly suspected of.....whatever....catalyst H-D mufflers, and installed a set of Rush mufflers. Although they utilized a 1.75" i.d.baffle, you could see straight through them.
My first impression of the muffler change out, and RoadKing riding buddy Ralph's assessment was, they were Unbelievably noisy units. Raucous. Embarassingly loud at overtaking and passing cars interstate speed. (70- 75mph) But, the mufflers' change answered a question of how would a less restrictive muffler affect the engine's performance. Rode it to my engine performance testing hills and couldn't detect any measurable difference in 5th gear acceleration, nor miles accumulated to fuel valve flipover to Reserve. Depending on how hard I rode trike, it Averaged 115-119 miles. It and I would ride no more than 150 miles, and I couldn't take anymore abuse.

Through an entirely unexpected link, provided by Goboy, to a GL1000 engine performance Topic authored by Mike Nixon, viewtopic.php?f=54&t=63468 and my subsequent heeding Mike's experience recommendation to do so, I reset trike's engine cold intake and exhaust valve clearances, from 0.004 inch, to 0.006 inch. Since making that valves' clearance dimension change, it and I haven't traveled back to my engine performance standard testing hills route.
But, it and I have taken 2 exceptionally long daytrips, after the valves' re-adjustment session.. The first one, 356 miles , with Rush mufflers still installed.
Then exactly 1 week later, with the remarkably less offensive H-D catalyst mufflers re-installed, a 320 miles Niagara Falls ride. (I'm very comfortable with leaving the H-D catalyst mufflers permanently installed now)

I've been surprised, with both sets of mufflers alternately installed, that after the valve clearance gap increase of only 0.002 inch, the petcock flipover miles to Reserve position has truthfully been increased, ranging from a low of 124 miles, to a high of 131 miles. :shock: tumb2

Although I would have expected the slightly increased vaIve lash dimension, 0.002 inch above the FSM's clearance specification, I can't detect any unobjectionable valve ticking.
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Re: Maybe I'll call it Threedom?

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Sounds like a keeper for now. Perhaps the valve timing is just a bit better with the added lash. Who knew?
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Re: Maybe I'll call it Threedom?

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Yes, 'Fred', it's a keeper! I'm getting o l d er, trike is holding its own and getting better.

Continuing on with this Spring's discoveries, the last time I rode trike, was Friday, May 18th.
Saturday, May 19th, even though I questioned the repeatable accuracy of my old Snap-on compression testing equipment rig, I finally attempted to determine if there was a measurable difference in cranking compression results, after an additional ~1000 miles riding since readjusting the intake and exhaust valve clearance gaps, an additional 0.002 inch.

Utilizing my battery charger's boost feature while attached to my recently replaced AGM battery to maintain a consistent engine cranking speed, I compression tested all 4 cylinders again. Increase? Less than 10psi. Close to 150psi cranking pressure, though. tumb2
While finishing up, I removed the right shelter cover to check the fluid level in the coolant recovery bottle. Fine. ( That's where my separately fuse protected auxiliary circuit relay and wiring exists to power up the ignition coils, too. ) Closed the cover back up, and then proceded to remove the battery charger and push the AGM battery back into its parked position before reinstalling the left hand cover.
Started the engine briefly, then called it a day well spent.

But, the following Tuesday, I took a short ride to get some sparkplugs and wires for my F150, and the engine started stumbling. :-?
Headed home and the stumbling got progressively worse, but we arrived back home under its own power. What gives?
Did I disturb some of the auxiliary wiring when examining the coolant recovery bottle?
Even though I shut the battery charger off when moving the tester adaptor from one cylinder to the next, might I have done some damage to the new AGM battery with the boost feature of my battery charger?
Very Important to add, the engine had no difficulties with repeated and successful start attempts, and the headlight which is also separately fuse protected off that aforementioned auxiliary circuit, still operated normally.

With the engine continuing to run, I started alternately pulling spark plug wires. Removing #s 1 and 2, there was no appreciable change. Removing either of #s 3 and 4, the engine would die. I was surprised the engine actually continued to run, with both front cylinders' sparkplug wires removed. :shock: ( Another benefit of the valve clearance readjust?)
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RE: a thorough fuel tank cleaning
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Re: Maybe I'll call it Threedom?

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Several days passed before I returned to sort out why trike's engine was ailing. Because of the spark plug wires removals observations, I was suspicious there was something amiss with the right hand, #1-2 coil's + wiring path.
Perhaps, even though I could hear the relay turning on and off with the OFF/RUN/OFF switch, maybe it wasn't passing sufficient auxiliary current through, to operate both of the ignition coils?

Anyways.....I successfully started the engine and shutoff it off with the OFF/RUN/OFF switch, maybe 5 times.
Suddenly, even though the engine was cranking over, there was no indication it wanted to run again. What?? I can't recall if the headlight remained operational, though.

I eventually found the main 15amp fuse in the auxiliary circuit had failed. hmmmmm?????
Was it not properly sized to protect the combined headlight and coil auxiliary circuit? As a result, had it been gradually failing over 10,000 miles since its replacement, necessitated by my having caused an inadvertant short at that time?
With the assistance of my smart phone, I sourced an OHM'S law template and plugged in the operating battery volts and specified ohms of the combined ignition coil, and high beam work loads. Computed out as though I might had been tickling the dedicated auxiliary circuit's load limit of the 15 amp fuse. :(

But, why had the headlight been operating, and the engine running on only the #s 3 and 4 cylinders until the fuse failed.
Okay, start inspecting the auxiliary circuit beyond the 15 amp fuse. After hearing and observing what I'd accomplished before he arrived yesterday afternoon, RoadKing riding buddy Ralph inquired if I'd replaced the fuse to see if it would fail again. No.
I'm not riding to Canada with an unidentified electron demon in the trike. :IDTS:
That necessitated removal of the fairing and shelter frame to get to the ignition coils. :x
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RE: a thorough fuel tank cleaning
"And your carbs will thank you. They no longer live down stream from a sewage plant." -gregforesi tumb2
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Re: Maybe I'll call it Threedom?

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I haven't found any witness of a shorted circuit event anywhere in the auxiliary supply circuit. No interruption of current path to the right hand, #1-2 coil, either. :-? (I have no logical reason to suspect a DynaS issue, either. ;) )

The crimped ring terminal connections to the Dyna ignition coils had been re-soldered, additionally shrink wrapped, and wires' movement ability further snubbed last year when I happened to notice one of those previously soldered (coincidentally, on the right hand #1-2 cylinders coil) was about to break off while I was installing the 'new' set of LTD carburetors.

Anyway..... I'm going to reassemble the bike back to the normal state where I can start and run the engine again, and have the headlight circuit operating off the auxiliary circuit, too.

NOW, for my peace of mind, I need a formula for determining the minimum, correctly fused protection of my combined work loads' auxiliary circuit. Please.

2 Dyna 3.0 ohm ignition coils.
one 60/55 watt H-4 headlight bulb.
engine operating battery voltage, ~14vdc

Thanks!
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RE: a thorough fuel tank cleaning
"And your carbs will thank you. They no longer live down stream from a sewage plant." -gregforesi tumb2
"Can't see the paint when your looking thru the handlebars..........." -Oldewing ;)
"I'd rather Ride than Shine" -RAT tumb2 Me Too!!

Cliff

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Re: Maybe I'll call it Threedom?

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My GUESS would be:
using 12 volts, as that would give a higher calculated amperage:
60 watts / 12 v = 5 amp
12 v / 3 ohm = 4 amp x 2 coils = 8 amps
Total 13 amps on that circuit.
I'd fuse it at 20 amp with #12 wire size as feeder conductor.
Just a guess.
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Thanks Sandy! My results were 13amps too, but I couldn't find anything to state what fuse rating minimum would be appropriate.
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"Can't see the paint when your looking thru the handlebars..........." -Oldewing ;)
"I'd rather Ride than Shine" -RAT tumb2 Me Too!!

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Re: Maybe I'll call it Threedom?

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gltriker wrote:Thanks Sandy! My results were 13amps too, but I couldn't find anything to state what fuse rating minimum would be appropriate.
Rule of thumb, maybe not automotive I don't know, I've always used maximum load of a circuit is 80%.
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On 2 different occasions this Spring, I've been asked, "don't you think it's time for some new rear tires on the trike?"
hmmm. Yes, I reckon it is! Their tread wear limit indicators are indicating the 215/60-16 Continental tires' replacement is needed. (50,000 miles on my wife's Altima, then 26,300 miles on trike is a very good return. ;) )

Coupled with replacing the front tire, too, that might greatly improve the overall ride experience! :oldies
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RE: a thorough fuel tank cleaning
"And your carbs will thank you. They no longer live down stream from a sewage plant." -gregforesi tumb2
"Can't see the paint when your looking thru the handlebars..........." -Oldewing ;)
"I'd rather Ride than Shine" -RAT tumb2 Me Too!!

Cliff

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Re: Maybe I'll call it Threedom?

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RAT wrote:Continually amazed ....

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Most likely will see y'all at The Fairgrounds again .
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"I'd rather Ride than Shine" -RAT tumb2 Me Too!!

Cliff

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Re: Maybe I'll call it Threedom?

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Great engineering once again Cliff. See you at the fairgrounds this time...
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Excellent seeing you and the trike briefly at Pete's and linger at the fairgrounds. Safe travels back to NY and may your return be less eventful.
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