All it needs is a battery and maybe a carb clean

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Re: All it needs is a battery and maybe a carb clean

Post #31 by Easter » Thu Nov 09, 2017 3:32 pm

Started it up, let it warm up a bit, idled down to around 750-800 then picked it up to 3000, pulled the plug cap on 4 and could not tell any difference. ???
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Re: All it needs is a battery and maybe a carb clean

Post #32 by robin1731 » Thu Nov 09, 2017 10:55 pm

Easter wrote:snip................. I am using a timing light/tach/dwell meter clipped to number 4 wire so I think I am getting a pretty good rpm count and am positive that it is getting spark. .



That's not an accurate way to check for spark at the plug.


Pull the wire, install a plug and lay it on the head to ground it. Then see if you have spark at higher rpm.
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Re: All it needs is a battery and maybe a carb clean

Post #33 by robin1731 » Thu Nov 09, 2017 10:56 pm

Easter wrote:Started it up, let it warm up a bit, idled down to around 750-800 then picked it up to 3000, pulled the plug cap on 4 and could not tell any difference. ???



That doesn't sound carb related. At least not the idle circuit.

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Re: All it needs is a battery and maybe a carb clean

Post #34 by Easter » Fri Nov 10, 2017 12:55 am

I have used a spark plug and a screw driver shaft to ground. Strong spark. You can actually see the spark go to the plug when I start to reattach the cap. I switched plugs between #2 and #4 to verify that it wasn't a bad plug. I even pulled the screw out of the intake runner to verify that I had vacuum (running out of ideas).
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Re: All it needs is a battery and maybe a carb clean

Post #35 by robin1731 » Fri Nov 10, 2017 8:16 am

Have you tried a new plug?

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Re: All it needs is a battery and maybe a carb clean

Post #36 by Easter » Fri Nov 10, 2017 10:27 am

They are new and I switched 2 and 4 to be sure.
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Re: All it needs is a battery and maybe a carb clean

Post #37 by robin1731 » Fri Nov 10, 2017 10:45 am

Be very careful doing this but maybe try a shot of starting fluid in the hole for sync screw while it is running.
Both at idle and at higher rpm.
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Re: All it needs is a battery and maybe a carb clean

Post #38 by Easter » Fri Nov 10, 2017 1:30 pm

Out of curiosity and for lack of anything else to try, I decided to see if I could sync the carbs. Especially since number 4 is from a different set. I am not sure what it says if anything but I was able to get quite a close match at 1000 rpm.

I did squirt a little starting fluid and the engine would pick up very briefly in both situations. Just to be sure nothing had changed, after I replaced the screw and let it idle down, I pulled the cap from the plug and still no change to engine speed.
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76 GL1100 yes, 1100 with 1000 heads and cams, being customized
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Re: All it needs is a battery and maybe a carb clean

Post #39 by Track T 2411 » Fri Nov 10, 2017 10:38 pm

If the squirt of starter fluid kicked up the engine, it's almost certainly a carb issue, I would think...
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Re: All it needs is a battery and maybe a carb clean

Post #40 by gltriker » Sat Nov 11, 2017 2:07 am

quote:"Out of curiosity and for lack of anything else to try,"

Did you try opening the fuel bowl drain screw? Does any fuel come out?
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Re: All it needs is a battery and maybe a carb clean

Post #41 by Easter » Sat Nov 11, 2017 11:18 am

gltriker wrote:quote:"Out of curiosity and for lack of anything else to try,"

Did you try opening the fuel bowl drain screw? Does any fuel come out?

Yes, covered somewhere above.
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80 GL1100 Interstate: Now a Cafe Racer called DRAGON WING.
81 GL1100 collecting dust with about 300,000 miles, known as BLACK BEAUTY
2008 (I think) GL1800 Nice bike but as exciting as the family sedan!
76 GL1100 yes, 1100 with 1000 heads and cams, being customized
A fleet of parts bikes awaiting resuscitation or customization or abandonment :IDTS:

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Re: All it needs is a battery and maybe a carb clean

Post #42 by robin1731 » Sat Nov 11, 2017 11:22 am

You've tried two different carbs and had the same issue correct?

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Re: All it needs is a battery and maybe a carb clean

Post #43 by Easter » Sat Nov 11, 2017 12:29 pm

Well maybe, the idle circuit is definitely plugged solid on the first carb but clear on this one. I have ordered a third carb but won't see it till sometime next week.
Bikes at present:
80 GL1100 Interstate: Now a Cafe Racer called DRAGON WING.
81 GL1100 collecting dust with about 300,000 miles, known as BLACK BEAUTY
2008 (I think) GL1800 Nice bike but as exciting as the family sedan!
76 GL1100 yes, 1100 with 1000 heads and cams, being customized
A fleet of parts bikes awaiting resuscitation or customization or abandonment :IDTS:

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Re: All it needs is a battery and maybe a carb clean

Post #44 by Easter » Sat Nov 11, 2017 2:04 pm

Erichheath wrote "Back to Easter’s issue with 1200 carbs. The needles on the end of the starter valves (choke) and the air/fuel screws can break off. Maybe you looked for sure but you could check that they each have their needles in tact and that one isn’t broken off in the respective holes for them in the carb body. PO snafu. Another possibility is a PO substituting a mixture screw from a different model which could be a different length. Kind of a pain in the butt, but maybe."

Haven't looked closely at the starter valves except to see they move smoothly and are as a group functioning to start when cold. Mixture screws have their tips and springs and o ring. Seem to be identical in both carbs. On the carb presently on the engine adjusting the screw in or out makes no difference. But then it wouldn't if that cylinder wasn't functioning (i.e. no spark or fuel or just away on vacation)
Bikes at present:
80 GL1100 Interstate: Now a Cafe Racer called DRAGON WING.
81 GL1100 collecting dust with about 300,000 miles, known as BLACK BEAUTY
2008 (I think) GL1800 Nice bike but as exciting as the family sedan!
76 GL1100 yes, 1100 with 1000 heads and cams, being customized
A fleet of parts bikes awaiting resuscitation or customization or abandonment :IDTS:

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Re: All it needs is a battery and maybe a carb clean

Post #45 by Easter » Sat Nov 11, 2017 2:07 pm

Even if the starter valve on #4 was broken wouldn't it still run at higher rpms?
Bikes at present:
80 GL1100 Interstate: Now a Cafe Racer called DRAGON WING.
81 GL1100 collecting dust with about 300,000 miles, known as BLACK BEAUTY
2008 (I think) GL1800 Nice bike but as exciting as the family sedan!
76 GL1100 yes, 1100 with 1000 heads and cams, being customized
A fleet of parts bikes awaiting resuscitation or customization or abandonment :IDTS:


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