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Just in time to save our classic motorcycles and cars. Only $37.00 a gallon right now. But it will scale.
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what a game changer if they pull it off.
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Just remember: When internal combustion engined vehicles were introduced they were seen as a way to reduce the pollution caused by the millions of horses needed to keep even a moderate sized city running at the time. "Pollution from horses?" you ask. Yes, in addition to their droppings and their own form of exhaust emissions there were the thousands that died every day (old age, disease, accidents &c) and had to be hauled away. And all of that happened whether you drove them or not, unlike internal combustion that neither needs to be fuelled or produces any emissions when parked.
And yes, in spite of the dire things we have been hearing about the emissions from vehicles for over half a century, our world is a lot cleaner than it would have been if we were still using horses (the population has quadrupled so there would be at least 4-5 times the number of animals now, maybe more). It's just that we know more about it now and are trying to make things even cleaner, which seems to be working (compare the emissions from a 1950s car with those of a recent model that will do a lot more).

BTW: I don't believe electric vehicles will ever achieve the majority market share unless something changes drastically. This is simply because batteries take too long to re-charge (even the so-called quick chargers take a lot longer than pumping gas) and need to be re-charged way too often. Yes, electrics have enough range for most people's day to day needs but nobody wants to own separate vehicles for commuting and travelling.
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EV battery range?
I wonder how many miles they could travel on a horse before having to stop to feed and water it?
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Yet another advantage of internal combustion....
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I remember reading that human beings first utilization of a controlled energy source was the cavemans use of fire.
or ....... burning hydrocarbons.

Now, here we are in the age of computers, space flight, Artifical intellegence, etc.....
and still doing what?
....... burning hydrocarbons.

so much for evolution.
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This car changed my opinion about the potential for electric cars..being a gear head it's all about hp and torque. :mrgreen:
I don't think electric cars will be much of a "thing" outside large metropolitan area's where people buy them for commuting to and from work. At least until battery technology improves a lot.
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I'm still driving my Diesel and will continue to do so.
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dontwantapickle wrote: Fri Dec 11, 2020 3:37 pm I remember reading that human beings first utilization of a controlled energy source was the cavemans use of fire.
or ....... burning hydrocarbons.

Now, here we are in the age of computers, space flight, Artifical intellegence, etc.....
and still doing what?
....... burning hydrocarbons.

so much for evolution.
Cavemen weren't burning hydrocarbons unless it was something oozing out of the ground.

As to what's powering the modern age.... Yeah, that whole fire/steam thing! We have the ability and economic motivation to move beyond that and are making progress. Small scale nuclear has proven itself to be far safer than what came before it and at about $100 million a pop they'll be showing up soon in a town near you where there aren't too many hippies getting in the way. Why we haven't jumped to breeder reactors like the French have is beyond me, they generate 5 grams of waste per person per year that is so depleted of energy they literally put it into the concrete used in the floors of new facilities.

As to electric vehicles, they are being thought of not only as transportation devices but also their energy storage capacity. We've been hearing for quite awhile now how our national grid needs to be rebuilt and that opens up a huge can of worms. The majority of the grid isn't publicly owned, getting it's modernization going without an economic incentive to do so is nearly impossible. So how do you get it done? Government intervention! That'll go over like a lead balloon politically....

Microgrids are where we're headed and having your car plugged in can act as a power storage device for that microgrid. It could be your own solar panels or wind generator at home, a canopy covered with solar panels in a parking lot at work or virtually any other place that generates it's own juice or requires back up storage of some sort. Now some folks might say "An electric car doesn't serve all my needs" so you give that car an additional need. A Goldwing doesn't do a very good job at towing a fishing boat but we can justify having another vehicle to do THAT, right?
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A childhood friend of mine who grew up to become a mechanic at a Toronto Honda dealer for many years once told me about a customer of theirs who used to bring his 'Wing in for servicing before he towed a sailboat to the east coast behind it every summer for years....
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I know a guy who towed a Suzuki 125 dirt bike behind a Suzuki gs450 on a HF trailer from Detroit to San Francisco two years ago. Also know another guy who towed a canoe behind his Shovelhead dresser, question is, will YOU or the general public be willing normalize doing that?
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I don't drive anything bigger than a sidecar outfit so things like that are more normal to me than to most.
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LAB3 wrote: Fri Jan 08, 2021 11:36 am
dontwantapickle wrote: Fri Dec 11, 2020 3:37 pm I remember reading that human beings first utilization of a controlled energy source was the cavemans use of fire.
or ....... burning hydrocarbons.

Now, here we are in the age of computers, space flight, Artifical intellegence, etc.....
and still doing what?
....... burning hydrocarbons.

so much for evolution.
Cavemen weren't burning hydrocarbons unless it was something oozing out of the ground.
When in doubt... google it.
"The Science Behind It. Most of what is burning when you use logs are “volatile hydrocarbons”. These take the form of tars, creosote and resins etc. They constitute about 70 – 80% of the available heat energy and are an excellent fuel."
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Looks like you got me on that one! It's too bad Alex Trebek is dead.....
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We had a guy here a couple years back attempting to build a bike to run on wood gasification. It was done in the depression and WW2. I never saw his final result.
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