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New way of changing the belts?

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Not sure if anyone has tried this, or if it's possible as the GL belts aren't very wide, but I was watching a programme today (Car SOS) and the guy changed a belt on a car by cutting it down the middle of the belt. He then removed the outer half leaving the inner half on the gears. He positioned the new belt on the gears, carefully cut the rest of the old belt off before pushing the new belt all the way on. This allowed the new belt to be fitted without lining up timing marks etc. Being TV, it looked very easy and of course it worked perfectly afterwards.

Not sure if I'd be willing to take the chance of doing it this way, but was interesting to watch.

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One belt right? How are you going to do the inner belt? :roll: shakehands lolol

I really thought you were going to show the video of the guy changing the belt on an old VW bug with the engine running. :shock:

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robin1731 wrote:One belt right? How are you going to do the inner belt? :roll: shakehands lolo

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It's late and I'm tired but I've been thinking about that and sure there's a way of doing it. Will have to experiment (not on my bike though)

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Right, it can be done in theory, but it's debatable whether there is enough room on the crankshaft gear for the inner belt.

Get ready for a Chewy (clear as mud) explanation.

1. Cut through both belts lengthways, remove the 'outer' half on both belts. The inner belt 'outer' half will need to be cut to remove it from the bike.

2. With regards to the new belts, thread the new outer belt through the new inner belt at right angles.

3. Position new outer belt on the gears and tensioner, cut the other half of the old outer belt away from the bike, and push the new outer belt all the way on.

4. Rotate the inner belt over the crankshaft gear.

5. Now, and this may be the problem to the theory, you MAY be able position the new inner belt over the gears and tensioner before the old inner belt can be cut away.

6. Told you, clear as mud! :IDTS:

As I said, this is just a theory, so don't blame me if someone tries it and it goes horribly wrong.

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Re: New way of changing the belts?

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I actually have a question about the timing belts;

Is there a way to lock the pulleys in place so that they don't move? And then it just becomes an issue of removing the belts and putting them back on without having to use the timing marks.

Is that possible?
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Not sure what all the concern is about timing marks. It really isn't that difficult to line everything up on a GL. The first time can be frustrating getting familiar with the spring pressure, etc, but you just keep at it until everything lines up. In fact, dinking with it for a while is EXACTLY what you should do while you're at it. Makes the next go-round simple.

All marks are completely unambiguous and easily verified. There's no excuse for firing one up with belts off a tooth or worse.
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I agree with desertrefugee, It not that tough of a task to line up a couple of marks.
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I agree. If the old belts are on properly. and both "up" marks are up, Just take offthe old ones, and put on the new ones. Ten minutes after the covers are off
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CYBORG wrote:I agree. If the old belts are on properly. and both "up" marks are up, Just take offthe old ones, and put on the new ones. Ten minutes after the covers are off

I am good with all this, except.........the 10 min part.

I will take the old ones off, spend a bit thinking of should I keep them, then take the pulleys off, spin them in my hand for a while, thinking of do they need new bearings or not... then I see a speck of something or other that I investigate for an hour to see where it came from. Wife comes into shop, ask me to run to the store... stop when I get back, notice the grass needs cut..... and so on.


How do you do it all in ten mins?????
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Oldewing wrote:
CYBORG wrote:I agree. If the old belts are on properly. and both "up" marks are up, Just take offthe old ones, and put on the new ones. Ten minutes after the covers are off

I am good with all this, except.........the 10 min part.

I will take the old ones off, spend a bit thinking of should I keep them, then take the pulleys off, spin them in my hand for a while, thinking of do they need new bearings or not... then I see a speck of something or other that I investigate for an hour to see where it came from. Wife comes into shop, ask me to run to the store... stop when I get back, notice the grass needs cut..... and so on.

Well,.... there is all that. So I just close the door and turn the stereo up
How do you do it all in ten mins?????
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Oldewing wrote:
CYBORG wrote:I agree. If the old belts are on properly. and both "up" marks are up, Just take offthe old ones, and put on the new ones. Ten minutes after the covers are off

I am good with all this, except.........the 10 min part.

I will take the old ones off, spend a bit thinking of should I keep them, then take the pulleys off, spin them in my hand for a while, thinking of do they need new bearings or not... then I see a speck of something or other that I investigate for an hour to see where it came from. Wife comes into shop, ask me to run to the store... stop when I get back, notice the grass needs cut..... and so on.


How do you do it all in ten mins?????

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Oldewing wrote:
CYBORG wrote:I agree. If the old belts are on properly. and both "up" marks are up, Just take offthe old ones, and put on the new ones. Ten minutes after the covers are off

I am good with all this, except.........the 10 min part.

I will take the old ones off, spend a bit thinking of should I keep them, then take the pulleys off, spin them in my hand for a while, thinking of do they need new bearings or not... then I see a speck of something or other that I investigate for an hour to see where it came from. Wife comes into shop, ask me to run to the store... stop when I get back, notice the grass needs cut..... and so on.


How do you do it all in ten mins?????
And this, folks, is exactly how it went for me, except we need to include the screaming toddler and an on call phone that wouldn't quit ringing on a "slow" day.

Might need to throw in a warning about the Accord timing mark on the 83s in the how to, because after a lot of squirrel moments, I picked the wrong one. :cry: :oops:
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And, yes, you can 'lock' the cam pulleys, either with a wrench on the pulley bolt, then zip tied to the frame, or by using a proper sized socket fitting into the pulley 'spokes' and clamping it in place with a c- clamp. Both methods are pictured somewhere here on the forums... Oh, and you would have to get the new belt inside the wrench or clamp before clamping or removing (cutting) the old belt.
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It seems to me that cutting the belts would take longer and be more work than just doing it the way the book says.

And as for getting them changed in 10 minutes, it sounds like we all have bad cases of AAADD
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Sidecar Bob wrote:It seems to me that cutting the belts would take longer and be more work than just doing it the way the book says.

And as for getting them changed in 10 minutes, it sounds like we all have bad cases of AAADD
...says the guy that still doesn't have his "new" engine installed :roll:
WellI never actually timed it. But when the clock starts with the covers off,... 1. bring pully marks to the top. 2. loosen the tensioners. 3. remove the old belts . 4. install new inner belt 5. install outer belt,(remembering to rotate cam pully to top mark when you install it. 6. tighten up tensions. All with no distractions If you feel a need, rotate then engine to verify correct install. One of the easiest jobs on a goldwing
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