Rear Wheel Alignment
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- twerth
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Rear Wheel Alignment
I have an '81 GL1100 I'm trying to put back on the road, and I noticed something strange the other day. Looking at the bike from the back, the rear wheel is offset about an inch to the left. I can't find any indication of tweaking to the frame or swing arm. Everything else seems to line up, and the wheel spins freely. Is this normal? It looks goofy.
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Re: Rear Wheel Alignment
Hmm. I've been into my '81 several times, and never noticed any offset. If you've removed the swing arm from the frame, there is a specific adjustment for aligning it properly. Also, make sure the wheel is fully seated into the final drive. I've seen instances, and the wheel will still turn freely. Last (that I can think of offhand) is following the procedure for tightening the axle/final drive. Begin with the axle pinch bolt, castle nut, and the three final drive - to - swing arm bolts loose. Tighten the castle nut first, the the pinch bolt, then the three final drive bolts. Just an FYI, there is a fair amount flex in the swing arm.
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"If you can't take the time to do it right the first time, how are you ever going to find the time to do it over?" -Unknown
Current Rides:
'Grumpy' - '81 Standard, now fully dressed.
'Layla' - '81 Standard w/dealer installed fairing and Hondaline bags.
'Scarlett' '76 'Survivor' nekkid as a j-bird!
Under Construction:
The 'Jalopy' '78-'79 Mash-up
'Quikie' '81 gl1100I back on the lift, project with the step-son!
In The Shed:
'81 gl1100I barn find aka "Josie, the farmer's daughter." (almost comatose build)
'77 gl1000, roller parts bike.
'82 gl1100I, 'Old Crusty' titled roller parts bike (free!)
'82 gl1100I, My first 'Wing, and an expensive lesson!
New2U Bike? Read Me.
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Re: Rear Wheel Alignment
Hard to see from the photos, but agree with Track T 2411 except I'd tighten the three final drive bolts first. I'd possibly loosen the suspension too. Do check the swing arm to make sure it's fitted correctly, you'll need a special socket. Are you sure nothing's bent?
Previous Rides,
1980 CB250N Good to learn on
1981 CX500 good mid range tourer, went to Austria on it!
1983 GL1100C Pride and joy, sold when I bought my 1st house, big mistake
1985 GL650 Silverwing another mistake, horrible bike
1986 CBX550 Good commuter
1989 Suzuki GS750 (1976) cheap and cheerful until a dog ran out in front of me on Xmas Eve, 1991
Current bikes
2010 CB1300 back on a bike after 19 years, two divorces, children grown up etc
1980 GL1100 NOW ON THE ROAD, still use CB1300.
1980 CB250N Good to learn on
1981 CX500 good mid range tourer, went to Austria on it!
1983 GL1100C Pride and joy, sold when I bought my 1st house, big mistake
1985 GL650 Silverwing another mistake, horrible bike
1986 CBX550 Good commuter
1989 Suzuki GS750 (1976) cheap and cheerful until a dog ran out in front of me on Xmas Eve, 1991
Current bikes
2010 CB1300 back on a bike after 19 years, two divorces, children grown up etc
1980 GL1100 NOW ON THE ROAD, still use CB1300.
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Re: Rear Wheel Alignment
Scroll all the way down to the bottom of this page.
SIMILAR TOPICS might answer some of your concerns.
SIMILAR TOPICS might answer some of your concerns.
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RE: a thorough fuel tank cleaning
"And your carbs will thank you. They no longer live down stream from a sewage plant." -gregforesi
"Can't see the paint when your looking thru the handlebars..........." -Oldewing
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'75 GL1000 home built trike; http://www.ngwclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=39996
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Re: Rear Wheel Alignment
I feel like something's got to be bent, but it's not apparent. I'd think if it was the swing arm, the tire would have clearance issues toward the front. I don't see any bent sections or popped paint on the frame or swing arm, so I'm not seeing the culprit. I haven't had the swing arm off and I don't have the tool, so I'd rather not mess with it unless I'm forced. Pretty certain the rear wheel is fully engaged in the drive and installed correctly. Finally, it has been dropped, and there is some fork damage, but the rear of the bike appears to be fine except for the wheel. Let me know if there are other pictures I could post to help diagnosis. I appreciate the quick responses.
1981 Honda GL1100
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2007 Kawasaki KLR650
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Re: Rear Wheel Alignment
When you fitted the wheel, did you have the spacer that goes between the calliper and the axle on the left side? Item 1 on here, https://www.cmsnl.com/honda-gl1100-gold ... ml#results
Not sure if that would cause your issues. If you start t bike up and let the wheel spin, how does that look?
Not sure if that would cause your issues. If you start t bike up and let the wheel spin, how does that look?
Previous Rides,
1980 CB250N Good to learn on
1981 CX500 good mid range tourer, went to Austria on it!
1983 GL1100C Pride and joy, sold when I bought my 1st house, big mistake
1985 GL650 Silverwing another mistake, horrible bike
1986 CBX550 Good commuter
1989 Suzuki GS750 (1976) cheap and cheerful until a dog ran out in front of me on Xmas Eve, 1991
Current bikes
2010 CB1300 back on a bike after 19 years, two divorces, children grown up etc
1980 GL1100 NOW ON THE ROAD, still use CB1300.
1980 CB250N Good to learn on
1981 CX500 good mid range tourer, went to Austria on it!
1983 GL1100C Pride and joy, sold when I bought my 1st house, big mistake
1985 GL650 Silverwing another mistake, horrible bike
1986 CBX550 Good commuter
1989 Suzuki GS750 (1976) cheap and cheerful until a dog ran out in front of me on Xmas Eve, 1991
Current bikes
2010 CB1300 back on a bike after 19 years, two divorces, children grown up etc
1980 GL1100 NOW ON THE ROAD, still use CB1300.
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Re: Rear Wheel Alignment
As suggested, scroll down and read some of the similar topics.
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Re: Rear Wheel Alignment
chewy999 wrote:Hard to see from the photos, but agree with Track T 2411 except I'd tighten the three final drive bolts first. (The sequence I posted is from the FSM. Just saying...)I'd possibly loosen the suspension too. Do check the swing arm to make sure it's fitted correctly, you'll need a special socket. Are you sure nothing's bent?
"I have no special talent. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
"He that is good with a hammer tends to think everything is a nail" - Abraham Maslow
"If you can't take the time to do it right the first time, how are you ever going to find the time to do it over?" -Unknown
Current Rides:
'Grumpy' - '81 Standard, now fully dressed.
'Layla' - '81 Standard w/dealer installed fairing and Hondaline bags.
'Scarlett' '76 'Survivor' nekkid as a j-bird!
Under Construction:
The 'Jalopy' '78-'79 Mash-up
'Quikie' '81 gl1100I back on the lift, project with the step-son!
In The Shed:
'81 gl1100I barn find aka "Josie, the farmer's daughter." (almost comatose build)
'77 gl1000, roller parts bike.
'82 gl1100I, 'Old Crusty' titled roller parts bike (free!)
'82 gl1100I, My first 'Wing, and an expensive lesson!
New2U Bike? Read Me.
"He that is good with a hammer tends to think everything is a nail" - Abraham Maslow
"If you can't take the time to do it right the first time, how are you ever going to find the time to do it over?" -Unknown
Current Rides:
'Grumpy' - '81 Standard, now fully dressed.
'Layla' - '81 Standard w/dealer installed fairing and Hondaline bags.
'Scarlett' '76 'Survivor' nekkid as a j-bird!
Under Construction:
The 'Jalopy' '78-'79 Mash-up
'Quikie' '81 gl1100I back on the lift, project with the step-son!
In The Shed:
'81 gl1100I barn find aka "Josie, the farmer's daughter." (almost comatose build)
'77 gl1000, roller parts bike.
'82 gl1100I, 'Old Crusty' titled roller parts bike (free!)
'82 gl1100I, My first 'Wing, and an expensive lesson!
New2U Bike? Read Me.
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Re: Rear Wheel Alignment
Can't argue with that!Track T 2411 wrote:chewy999 wrote:Hard to see from the photos, but agree with Track T 2411 except I'd tighten the three final drive bolts first. (The sequence I posted is from the FSM. Just saying...)I'd possibly loosen the suspension too. Do check the swing arm to make sure it's fitted correctly, you'll need a special socket. Are you sure nothing's bent?
Previous Rides,
1980 CB250N Good to learn on
1981 CX500 good mid range tourer, went to Austria on it!
1983 GL1100C Pride and joy, sold when I bought my 1st house, big mistake
1985 GL650 Silverwing another mistake, horrible bike
1986 CBX550 Good commuter
1989 Suzuki GS750 (1976) cheap and cheerful until a dog ran out in front of me on Xmas Eve, 1991
Current bikes
2010 CB1300 back on a bike after 19 years, two divorces, children grown up etc
1980 GL1100 NOW ON THE ROAD, still use CB1300.
1980 CB250N Good to learn on
1981 CX500 good mid range tourer, went to Austria on it!
1983 GL1100C Pride and joy, sold when I bought my 1st house, big mistake
1985 GL650 Silverwing another mistake, horrible bike
1986 CBX550 Good commuter
1989 Suzuki GS750 (1976) cheap and cheerful until a dog ran out in front of me on Xmas Eve, 1991
Current bikes
2010 CB1300 back on a bike after 19 years, two divorces, children grown up etc
1980 GL1100 NOW ON THE ROAD, still use CB1300.
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Re: Rear Wheel Alignment
When you have one element of a carefully interrelated system changing and other elements in that same system remaining unchanged, you can expect alterations of the relationship between those two areas. In the case of the Gold Wing, one relationship that changed was the amount of offset between the load center of the wheel and the load center of the wheel bearings. This offset expanded from 10mm in 1975-83, up to a whopping 23mm (almost a full inch offset) in 1984-86.
http://goldwingdocs.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=33375
http://goldwingdocs.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=33375
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Re: Rear Wheel Alignment
To close the loop on a couple of earlier responses, I did a search and read through most or all of the related posts that show up at the bottom of this thread. I wasn't able to find a solution to my issue though. That is good information though. The related thread function can be helpful.
Also, the spacer is installed correctly. I actually tried it on both sides of the caliper bracket to make sure, and it causes the brakes to drag if it isn't installed outboard.
I've attached a few more shots to see if my installation looks different than other member's bikes. I'm thinking if I can't identify the problem, this bike becomes parts. That would be a shame.
Also, the spacer is installed correctly. I actually tried it on both sides of the caliper bracket to make sure, and it causes the brakes to drag if it isn't installed outboard.
I've attached a few more shots to see if my installation looks different than other member's bikes. I'm thinking if I can't identify the problem, this bike becomes parts. That would be a shame.
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2007 Kawasaki KLR650
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2003 Honda TRX300ex
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