Swingarm lube conundrum

[odyssey]

For swingarm lube and rear hub splines, the M77 assembly paste seems to be used to replace the Honda Moly 60. Does everybody agree that it's a good option? Are there other suggestions? (Loctite seems quite pricey at $34)

[5speed]

I used good old Lucas red and tacky on my spline and swing arm.
It's like Franks red hot. I put that stuff on everything.

[flyin900]

Use the M77 it is a Honda OEM product and less expensive than Loctite by 50%.

[jdvorchak]

Here is what I use on everything

https://www.oreillyauto.com/detail/mast ... oly+grease

[robin1731]

Here is what I use on everything

https://www.oreillyauto.com/detail/mast ... oly+grease

Me too.

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[odyssey]

Looks like this would be the Napa equivalent for the MasterPro, but according to the company it's only 1% moly:

[CYBORG]

good to check the amount of moly. Honda has specific amount. not all moly's are the same

[odyssey]

This information is hard to find. Many of these products don't have datasheets, and the MSDS sheets don't always specify the moly content.
An interesting read here, but not particularly updated:
https://motorcycleinfo.calsci.com/Shaft.html

But even the datasheet for the original M60 doesn't exist...Some even claim that "60" stands for the Timken load specification, not the moly content.

[Gowing]

Good article odyssey, lube is supposed to have 60 percent moly, not some moly. Very interesting about the new krytox lube. Poly- flourinated product made by DuPont. Sounds like that stuff is indestructible. I like the sound of that. Moly is a dry stuff that stays behind after the grease carrier gets pushed and dried out.
It's hard to find the moly content in many products advertising. Starting to sound like an oil opinion hyjack. Oh boy! I used moly 60 on my wing splines, now I need to do the ST.

[odyssey]

Well, for the drive shaft joint I'm not sure if a 60% moly grease exists (for a grease gun). My understanding is that a lower moly content is sufficient. From Randak's http://www.randakksblog.com/driveshalf- ... nspection/:

Mark says:
June 9, 2017 at 6:31 pm
I’m putting my final drive unit back together after restoring the swingarm via powder coating. The manual calls for a multipurpose grease NLGI #2. I’m looking at using a 100% synthetic bearing grease from Mobile 1 that is NLGI. With this be an improvement or a detriment to the splines in the final drive unit and the swingarm bushings?

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Randakk says:
June 15, 2017 at 3:19 pm
That grease will be fine. “Moly” was the preferred grease in the 70’s, but modern lubes are improved and fine.

[CYBORG]

Well, for the drive shaft joint I'm not sure if a 60% moly grease exists (for a grease gun). My understanding is that a lower moly content is sufficient. From Randak's http://www.randakksblog.com/driveshalf- ... nspection/:

Mark says:
June 9, 2017 at 6:31 pm
I’m putting my final drive unit back together after restoring the swingarm via powder coating. The manual calls for a multipurpose grease NLGI #2. I’m looking at using a 100% synthetic bearing grease from Mobile 1 that is NLGI. With this be an improvement or a detriment to the splines in the final drive unit and the swingarm bushings?

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Randakk says:
June 15, 2017 at 3:19 pm
That grease will be fine. “Moly” was the preferred grease in the 70’s, but modern lubes are improved and fine.

I get moly for a grease gun from my local Honda dealer

[taunusrainer]

I think the moly is a good additive for the engine oil, cam and crank bearing shells will have a 5x longer lifespan.
As for the grease, it is sometimes useful, sometimes not. When greasing a thread before installation, I would always prefer moly grease. For ball or roller bearings, I would prefer clear grease. Factory greased ball bearings never come with moly grease.

[odyssey]

Honda Powesports were kind to provide the MSDS sheet for the (old) Moly 60 (below). These days they recommend using lithium grease for swingarm bearings, etc.