cylinder 1 not firing.
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cylinder 1 not firing.
For the past week I had popping put my right exhaust, usually only at idle. Discovered if I pull the plug on cylinder 1 it stopped.
Got on the bike yesterday. And cylinder one was not firing.
I replaced the plug wire, and cap this morning. And it still is not firing. I swapped 1 and 2, and it fired. However now 2 did not.
I am running mp08 coils from a 1500. Can they fail only on one cylinder?
It sure seems like that is the case. Am I missing something? Should I replace the coil?
Got on the bike yesterday. And cylinder one was not firing.
I replaced the plug wire, and cap this morning. And it still is not firing. I swapped 1 and 2, and it fired. However now 2 did not.
I am running mp08 coils from a 1500. Can they fail only on one cylinder?
It sure seems like that is the case. Am I missing something? Should I replace the coil?
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Re: cylinder 1 not firing.
Not generally but the wiring connection at the coil could be bad..??
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Re: cylinder 1 not firing.
pierce wrote:For the past week I had popping put my right exhaust, usually only at idle. Discovered if I pull the plug on cylinder 1 it stopped.
Got on the bike yesterday. And cylinder one was not firing.
I replaced the plug wire, and cap this morning. And it still is not firing. I swapped 1 and 2, and it fired. However now 2 did not.
I am running mp08 coils from a 1500. Can they fail only on one cylinder? YES
It sure seems like that is the case. Am I missing something? Should I replace the coil? YES
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RE: a thorough fuel tank cleaning
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Re: cylinder 1 not firing.
Thank you. New coils ordered.
Hopefully this resolves the problem.
Hopefully this resolves the problem.
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Re: cylinder 1 not firing.
Just curious... would this failure be found by testing the resistance from wire to wire, i.e. an open circuit?
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Re: cylinder 1 not firing.
Yes. That's how I ultimately discovered the identical ignition failure mode. 3 different occurences.Track T 2411 wrote:Just curious... would this failure be found by testing the resistance from wire to wire, i.e. an open circuit?
I removed both replaceable plug wires from the suspected dual output ignition coil, each time, and resistance tested directly into their respective output sockets.
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RE: a thorough fuel tank cleaning
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"Can't see the paint when your looking thru the handlebars..........." -Oldewing
"I'd rather Ride than Shine" -RAT Me Too!!
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RE: a thorough fuel tank cleaning
"And your carbs will thank you. They no longer live down stream from a sewage plant." -gregforesi
"Can't see the paint when your looking thru the handlebars..........." -Oldewing
"I'd rather Ride than Shine" -RAT Me Too!!
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Re: cylinder 1 not firing.
Wait... why did you swap 1 and 2? 1 and 4 are on the same coil. 2 and 3 are on the other.
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Re: cylinder 1 not firing.
1&2 share a coil. 3 & 4 share the other.warhead_71 wrote:Wait... why did you swap 1 and 2? 1 and 4 are on the same coil. 2 and 3 are on the other.
Problem sounds to me like a bad plug.
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Re: cylinder 1 not firing.
warhead_71 wrote:Wait... why did you swap 1 and 2? 1 and 4 are on the same coil. 2 and 3 are on the other.
tlbranth beat me to it but yeah, 1/2, 3/4. If you are looking at a Clymer manual it has it wrong. These are also different from most inline 4 engines.
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Re: cylinder 1 not firing.
my bad. but yes, seems like it's pretty much isolated to the wires or plug or boot if you can swap the wires and the problem moves with it. Not the coil.
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Re: cylinder 1 not firing.
Thanks for all the replies! I replaced the coil wire and plugs, had no effect.
That's what led me to think coil.
Still waiting on the coil s
That's what led me to think coil.
Still waiting on the coil s
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Re: cylinder 1 not firing.
Problem solved. Thanks everyone.
I replaced the coils, and that solved the problem.
I replaced the coils, and that solved the problem.
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Re: cylinder 1 not firing.
"I have no special talent. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
"He that is good with a hammer tends to think everything is a nail" - Abraham Maslow
"If you can't take the time to do it right the first time, how are you ever going to find the time to do it over?" -Unknown
Current Rides:
'Grumpy' - '81 Standard, now fully dressed.
'Layla' - '81 Standard w/dealer installed fairing and Hondaline bags.
'Scarlett' '76 'Survivor' nekkid as a j-bird!
Under Construction:
The 'Jalopy' '78-'79 Mash-up
'Quikie' '81 gl1100I back on the lift, project with the step-son!
In The Shed:
'81 gl1100I barn find aka "Josie, the farmer's daughter." (almost comatose build)
'77 gl1000, roller parts bike.
'82 gl1100I, 'Old Crusty' titled roller parts bike (free!)
'82 gl1100I, My first 'Wing, and an expensive lesson!
New2U Bike? Read Me.
"He that is good with a hammer tends to think everything is a nail" - Abraham Maslow
"If you can't take the time to do it right the first time, how are you ever going to find the time to do it over?" -Unknown
Current Rides:
'Grumpy' - '81 Standard, now fully dressed.
'Layla' - '81 Standard w/dealer installed fairing and Hondaline bags.
'Scarlett' '76 'Survivor' nekkid as a j-bird!
Under Construction:
The 'Jalopy' '78-'79 Mash-up
'Quikie' '81 gl1100I back on the lift, project with the step-son!
In The Shed:
'81 gl1100I barn find aka "Josie, the farmer's daughter." (almost comatose build)
'77 gl1000, roller parts bike.
'82 gl1100I, 'Old Crusty' titled roller parts bike (free!)
'82 gl1100I, My first 'Wing, and an expensive lesson!
New2U Bike? Read Me.
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Re: cylinder 1 not firing.
there is a resistor at the end of the plug wire that may be bad. Its inside the boot that plugs on the spark plug.
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Re: cylinder 1 not firing.
Perfect.pierce wrote:Problem solved. Thanks everyone.
I replaced the coils, and that solved the problem.
Cliff (74yrs )
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RE: a thorough fuel tank cleaning
"And your carbs will thank you. They no longer live down stream from a sewage plant." -gregforesi
"Can't see the paint when your looking thru the handlebars..........." -Oldewing
"I'd rather Ride than Shine" -RAT Me Too!!
Cliff
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1953 H-D Servi-car, naked, 1969-1978 (serial#53G1559 committed to memory!)
1980 CB900 Custom (triked) 1997-2003 .... R.I.P.
Keep your eyes and ears open and you'll learn something new, everyday.
New users please visit our "Shop Talk" for common tips and help: <---jdvorchak
http://www.ngwclub.com/forum/page/ST
^^^^^^^click up here^^^^^
RE: a thorough fuel tank cleaning
"And your carbs will thank you. They no longer live down stream from a sewage plant." -gregforesi
"Can't see the paint when your looking thru the handlebars..........." -Oldewing
"I'd rather Ride than Shine" -RAT Me Too!!
Cliff
'75 GL1000 home built trike; http://www.ngwclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=39996
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1953 H-D Servi-car, naked, 1969-1978 (serial#53G1559 committed to memory!)
1980 CB900 Custom (triked) 1997-2003 .... R.I.P.
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