77 GL1000 - 3 questions
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77 GL1000 - 3 questions
Hi. I'm working on a GL1000 for the first time. 1977 with 31,000 miles.
Question #1: Final Drive... The orginal final drive had been leaking oil and the rear rim was a mess. After all the reading I did, I decided to just get a used unit off ebay. I found a 79 final drive with 15,000 miles. The unit does look to have low hours. I mounted the unit and put in Lucas Hub oil (with seal swell). I rode it for a while and felt the final drive to see if it was hot. It was pretty hot. I could only put my had on it for just 1 or 2 seconds. I did some research and decide to loosen and re-tighten everything in the correct order (Axle, 3 final drive nuts, shock, brake caliper), changed to semi synthetic gear oil 75-90 and replaced the wheel bearings. Old bearings were not damaged. I then went for another ride and the thing is still hot to the touch. Forum thread research says that the final drives run a little hot and some other threads say it should be hot. My next attempt will be full synthetic gear oil but after that, I'm out of ideas.
Question #2: Front brakes.... I fully rebuild the front master cylinder and calipers. Originally the lever was stuck but now after the full clean and rebuild it is working OK but not great. I'm not fully satisfied because the first pull the lever moves about 3/4 way and the 2nd pull will go about 1/2. Braking is fine but I do not prefer to have that pump action. I've bleed it several times (vacuum and reverse). Am I correct to assume this issue is from the original hoses that might be swelling up a bit on the first pump? Or are these 77 just like that?
Question #3: Radiator fan... I have yet to see the fan kick on. Anyone have an easy way to test/trouble shoot this? Is there a fuse somewhere?
Your knowledge and shared experience is appreciated. Thank you!
Question #1: Final Drive... The orginal final drive had been leaking oil and the rear rim was a mess. After all the reading I did, I decided to just get a used unit off ebay. I found a 79 final drive with 15,000 miles. The unit does look to have low hours. I mounted the unit and put in Lucas Hub oil (with seal swell). I rode it for a while and felt the final drive to see if it was hot. It was pretty hot. I could only put my had on it for just 1 or 2 seconds. I did some research and decide to loosen and re-tighten everything in the correct order (Axle, 3 final drive nuts, shock, brake caliper), changed to semi synthetic gear oil 75-90 and replaced the wheel bearings. Old bearings were not damaged. I then went for another ride and the thing is still hot to the touch. Forum thread research says that the final drives run a little hot and some other threads say it should be hot. My next attempt will be full synthetic gear oil but after that, I'm out of ideas.
Question #2: Front brakes.... I fully rebuild the front master cylinder and calipers. Originally the lever was stuck but now after the full clean and rebuild it is working OK but not great. I'm not fully satisfied because the first pull the lever moves about 3/4 way and the 2nd pull will go about 1/2. Braking is fine but I do not prefer to have that pump action. I've bleed it several times (vacuum and reverse). Am I correct to assume this issue is from the original hoses that might be swelling up a bit on the first pump? Or are these 77 just like that?
Question #3: Radiator fan... I have yet to see the fan kick on. Anyone have an easy way to test/trouble shoot this? Is there a fuse somewhere?
Your knowledge and shared experience is appreciated. Thank you!
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Re: 77 GL1000 - 3 questions
I'll start with the fan, because that's an easy one, lol! Pull the plug off the thermo switch (on the side of the thermostat housing) and jump the wires with the ignition switch on. The fan should run. If it doesn't, it is most likely the fan motor (or bad wires). If it runs, you will need to investigate more. The thermo switch is notorious for failing, BTW. Typically, the fan should kick on after several minutes with the engine running/idling, and cycle on and off.
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Re: 77 GL1000 - 3 questions
Brakes could be the hoses..only way to know is to replace..if you are sure it's been bled completely. Most say best improvement to their bikes was getting braided lines for the brakes. several guys sell them on the GL sites.
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Re: 77 GL1000 - 3 questions
On the rear drive unit did you lube the gear assembly on the inside of the unit that engages both the drive shaft spline on the front of the drive unit and the rear wheel spline inside the hub. These are best lubed with moly paste 70% from Honda or another supplier that has at least 50-60% Moly lube in the paste. Failure to have these gears lubed sufficiently will generate heat and excessive wear on the gears quite quickly.
I use the Honda dealer moly paste since it is the easiest to obtain up here in Canada, since most aftermarket car supply stores don't have anything with enough Moly % wise in the paste.
On the front brakes you can try using a zip tie and tie the front brake lever back to the throttle assembly. I usually place a piece of wood from a paint stir stick against the throttle grip to stop the zip tie leaving a permanent mark in the rubber or foam grip. Leave it for at least overnight or 24hrs and any air that may be trapped in the 3way joint will migrate back up through the top fluid reservoir. Usually works wonders for the issue you have or it maybe soft lines from age.
Sirus Consolidated in Canada sells a complete set of OEM style replacement brake hoses (3 pcs) for a very good price and the quality is excellent for a rubber set just like OEM yet new. Just check your bars are stock if you decide to go this route or measure your existing hoses and compare the length they list for the replacement units.
I use the Honda dealer moly paste since it is the easiest to obtain up here in Canada, since most aftermarket car supply stores don't have anything with enough Moly % wise in the paste.
On the front brakes you can try using a zip tie and tie the front brake lever back to the throttle assembly. I usually place a piece of wood from a paint stir stick against the throttle grip to stop the zip tie leaving a permanent mark in the rubber or foam grip. Leave it for at least overnight or 24hrs and any air that may be trapped in the 3way joint will migrate back up through the top fluid reservoir. Usually works wonders for the issue you have or it maybe soft lines from age.
Sirus Consolidated in Canada sells a complete set of OEM style replacement brake hoses (3 pcs) for a very good price and the quality is excellent for a rubber set just like OEM yet new. Just check your bars are stock if you decide to go this route or measure your existing hoses and compare the length they list for the replacement units.
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Re: 77 GL1000 - 3 questions
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Also on the brakes, a lot of folks have had good results tying the brake lever down almost all the way and turning the handlebars until the master is the highest point in the system - and leave it overnight. Take appropriate cautions to avoid spilling brake fluid should the master be over painted surfaces.
Also on the brakes, a lot of folks have had good results tying the brake lever down almost all the way and turning the handlebars until the master is the highest point in the system - and leave it overnight. Take appropriate cautions to avoid spilling brake fluid should the master be over painted surfaces.
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Re: 77 GL1000 - 3 questions
You ever crawl under your RWD car or truck right after driving a few miles? They get pretty warm. It's normal.
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Re: 77 GL1000 - 3 questions
Wow. Quick answers. This forum is great.
Honda 77 moly paste is on the splines.
I have bungeed the front brake once before and have it on again tonight. Hope it helps. If not, I'm going hose shopping. Thanks for reminder about longer bars.
Fan check sounds easy enough. I'll be doing that tomorrow.
Thanks for the tips men!
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Honda 77 moly paste is on the splines.
I have bungeed the front brake once before and have it on again tonight. Hope it helps. If not, I'm going hose shopping. Thanks for reminder about longer bars.
Fan check sounds easy enough. I'll be doing that tomorrow.
Thanks for the tips men!
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Re: 77 GL1000 - 3 questions
Sometimes it is just really, really difficult to get a system to bleed properly. Sometimes just riding it for a few days will jar those pesky bubbles out of hiding and they will migrate up to the master cylinder and disperse.
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Re: 77 GL1000 - 3 questions
Vacuum bleeder works well too
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Re: 77 GL1000 - 3 questions
I've pinned back the brake lever before but it was always on the center stand. This time (on the side stand) it worked. I left it overnight and now it's firm and consistent.
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Re: 77 GL1000 - 3 questions
yeah.... they get WARM... could add one of these...robin1731 wrote:You ever crawl under your RWD car or truck right after driving a few miles? They get pretty warm. It's normal.
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Nice looking heat sinks!
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Re: 77 GL1000 - 3 questions
I'm no thermodynamics engineer, but given the mass of the rear drive assembly versus the mass of those piddly little "heat sinks", I wouldn't waste my money.
If you want them for decoration, then go for it, but I certainly wouldn't expect a cooler running diff by installing one...
If you want them for decoration, then go for it, but I certainly wouldn't expect a cooler running diff by installing one...
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I thing I have to agree. Especially where they would be locateddesertrefugee wrote:I'm no thermodynamics engineer, but given the mass of the rear drive assembly versus the mass of those piddly little "heat sinks", I wouldn't waste my money.
If you want them for decoration, then go for it, but I certainly wouldn't expect a cooler running diff by installing one...
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Re: 77 GL1000 - 3 questions
I think the ones I got were in a 4 (or was it 8) pack and were for a 750. Don't know if it does much. has sort of a flat washer, not an O-ring. The first one I saw was on warrens 1000 at Sturgis in 2009
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The question is not how much time do you have, it is what you do with the time that you have Gandalf
"One of the greatest dignities of humankind is that each successive generation is invested in the welfare of each new generation." Fred Rodgers
"it takes 10,000 hours to become an expert" ancient saying
78 constantly modified/customized since 1978, BOTM June 2015 de-evolving this very moment viewtopic.php?f=30&t=65511
76 Ltd "cookies bike" ALMOST DONE
79 project, finished, FOR SALE
'86 1200 (Beth's)(FOR SALE) with motorvation sidecar (sidecar sold) , July 2017 BOTM
'17 HD Road king and 08 HD Heritage softail (Beth's) (FOR SALE). I guess you can say we have MBS
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