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Just when I thought I'd sorted it. Latest News
Finished putting my bike together, the crash bars were a pain to get back on, one bolt just wouldn't line up! Anyway, got it eventually and went for a ride.
The new neutral switch worked perfectly, for about 5 miles and then the green light came on and stayed on! Last year put a new diode in, will check that it hasn't failed, but otherwise at a loss at where to go from here! With my visor misting up due to my tears, decided to fill up the tank. When I got back on it just wouldn't start. This is something I've experienced before. After a run with the engine hot, it won't start straight away. Left it for a while and then it did! No idea why that happens. It's as if the battery is flat, but in my head that isn't the problem as it starts when things have cooled down. If the battery was flat it would still be flat later on. I can just about guarantee that it will start from cold, no choke first time tomorrow, without charging the battery.
Any advice would be appreciated as always
Last edited by chewy999 on Fri Apr 14, 2017 12:06 pm, edited 2 times in total.
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1985 GL650 Silverwing another mistake, horrible bike
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1981 CX500 good mid range tourer, went to Austria on it!
1983 GL1100C Pride and joy, sold when I bought my 1st house, big mistake
1985 GL650 Silverwing another mistake, horrible bike
1986 CBX550 Good commuter
1989 Suzuki GS750 (1976) cheap and cheerful until a dog ran out in front of me on Xmas Eve, 1991
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Re: Just when I thought I'd sorted it.
So, it isn't turning over when it is hot?
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Re: Just when I thought I'd sorted it.
Sounds like a starter problem. Actually the internal grounding system of the starter. internal ground strap that makes contact with the case when cold. All is well, But when the case heats up and expands, the ground is lost. Cools down, ground returns
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Re: Just when I thought I'd sorted it.
One thing I've noticed is that the starter motor is very hot, not sure if that's normal. Can't remember where I got it from, but maybe it was flea bay, maybe I should check it out or if anyone can recommend one in the UK, then I should think about changing it, although it was a new item during my big build!
Any thoughts on the neutral light fiasco, apart from black tape over the light.
Any thoughts on the neutral light fiasco, apart from black tape over the light.
Previous Rides,
1980 CB250N Good to learn on
1981 CX500 good mid range tourer, went to Austria on it!
1983 GL1100C Pride and joy, sold when I bought my 1st house, big mistake
1985 GL650 Silverwing another mistake, horrible bike
1986 CBX550 Good commuter
1989 Suzuki GS750 (1976) cheap and cheerful until a dog ran out in front of me on Xmas Eve, 1991
Current bikes
2010 CB1300 back on a bike after 19 years, two divorces, children grown up etc
1980 GL1100 NOW ON THE ROAD, still use CB1300.
1980 CB250N Good to learn on
1981 CX500 good mid range tourer, went to Austria on it!
1983 GL1100C Pride and joy, sold when I bought my 1st house, big mistake
1985 GL650 Silverwing another mistake, horrible bike
1986 CBX550 Good commuter
1989 Suzuki GS750 (1976) cheap and cheerful until a dog ran out in front of me on Xmas Eve, 1991
Current bikes
2010 CB1300 back on a bike after 19 years, two divorces, children grown up etc
1980 GL1100 NOW ON THE ROAD, still use CB1300.
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Re: Just when I thought I'd sorted it.
usually its a stuck sw. The sw provides the ground for the light. Unless recent work has pinched the wire.
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Re: Just when I thought I'd sorted it.
A hot starter was a very well known problem with small block chevy's back in the day. People would put headers on them..and the heat transferred to the starter causing the same issue you have.chewy999 wrote:One thing I've noticed is that the starter motor is very hot, not sure if that's normal. Can't remember where I got it from, but maybe it was flea bay, maybe I should check it out or if anyone can recommend one in the UK, then I should think about changing it, although it was a new item during my big build!
I was included in that group when I put new headers on my camaro.
This is how I solved that problem. https://www.amazon.com/Universal-Starte ... B0045T5E4O
Is it possible your new starter has a thinner case than the OE one and is heating up inside..
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Re: Just when I thought I'd sorted it.
What's a 'sw'?CYBORG wrote:usually its a stuck sw. The sw provides the ground for the light. Unless recent work has pinched the wire.
Previous Rides,
1980 CB250N Good to learn on
1981 CX500 good mid range tourer, went to Austria on it!
1983 GL1100C Pride and joy, sold when I bought my 1st house, big mistake
1985 GL650 Silverwing another mistake, horrible bike
1986 CBX550 Good commuter
1989 Suzuki GS750 (1976) cheap and cheerful until a dog ran out in front of me on Xmas Eve, 1991
Current bikes
2010 CB1300 back on a bike after 19 years, two divorces, children grown up etc
1980 GL1100 NOW ON THE ROAD, still use CB1300.
1980 CB250N Good to learn on
1981 CX500 good mid range tourer, went to Austria on it!
1983 GL1100C Pride and joy, sold when I bought my 1st house, big mistake
1985 GL650 Silverwing another mistake, horrible bike
1986 CBX550 Good commuter
1989 Suzuki GS750 (1976) cheap and cheerful until a dog ran out in front of me on Xmas Eve, 1991
Current bikes
2010 CB1300 back on a bike after 19 years, two divorces, children grown up etc
1980 GL1100 NOW ON THE ROAD, still use CB1300.
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Re: Just when I thought I'd sorted it.
short for switch. Located on the front right side of the motor
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Re: Just when I thought I'd sorted it.
I did put a new neutral switch in this time and the wire appears ok.
Previous Rides,
1980 CB250N Good to learn on
1981 CX500 good mid range tourer, went to Austria on it!
1983 GL1100C Pride and joy, sold when I bought my 1st house, big mistake
1985 GL650 Silverwing another mistake, horrible bike
1986 CBX550 Good commuter
1989 Suzuki GS750 (1976) cheap and cheerful until a dog ran out in front of me on Xmas Eve, 1991
Current bikes
2010 CB1300 back on a bike after 19 years, two divorces, children grown up etc
1980 GL1100 NOW ON THE ROAD, still use CB1300.
1980 CB250N Good to learn on
1981 CX500 good mid range tourer, went to Austria on it!
1983 GL1100C Pride and joy, sold when I bought my 1st house, big mistake
1985 GL650 Silverwing another mistake, horrible bike
1986 CBX550 Good commuter
1989 Suzuki GS750 (1976) cheap and cheerful until a dog ran out in front of me on Xmas Eve, 1991
Current bikes
2010 CB1300 back on a bike after 19 years, two divorces, children grown up etc
1980 GL1100 NOW ON THE ROAD, still use CB1300.
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Re: Just when I thought I'd sorted it.
Does the starter turn over? Or does it not start?
Stating the obvious here... but if the motor is hot you aren't using the choke are you? Throttle partially open or closed?
Stating the obvious here... but if the motor is hot you aren't using the choke are you? Throttle partially open or closed?
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Re: Just when I thought I'd sorted it.
Never need to use the choke.BlueThunder wrote:Does the starter turn over? Or does it not start?
Stating the obvious here... but if the motor is hot you aren't using the choke are you? Throttle partially open or closed?
As I said, it's as if the battery is flat.
Usually starts after a while with clutch pulled in and throttle open .
Previous Rides,
1980 CB250N Good to learn on
1981 CX500 good mid range tourer, went to Austria on it!
1983 GL1100C Pride and joy, sold when I bought my 1st house, big mistake
1985 GL650 Silverwing another mistake, horrible bike
1986 CBX550 Good commuter
1989 Suzuki GS750 (1976) cheap and cheerful until a dog ran out in front of me on Xmas Eve, 1991
Current bikes
2010 CB1300 back on a bike after 19 years, two divorces, children grown up etc
1980 GL1100 NOW ON THE ROAD, still use CB1300.
1980 CB250N Good to learn on
1981 CX500 good mid range tourer, went to Austria on it!
1983 GL1100C Pride and joy, sold when I bought my 1st house, big mistake
1985 GL650 Silverwing another mistake, horrible bike
1986 CBX550 Good commuter
1989 Suzuki GS750 (1976) cheap and cheerful until a dog ran out in front of me on Xmas Eve, 1991
Current bikes
2010 CB1300 back on a bike after 19 years, two divorces, children grown up etc
1980 GL1100 NOW ON THE ROAD, still use CB1300.
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Re: Just when I thought I'd sorted it.
Must be some of that other English
So is it cranking over well and just not catching or is it not cranking over well?
Generally a starter builds up a lot of heat when it is dirty inside and not using the power efficiently or if there is an issue with the power (or ground) going to it. I had one that actually melted the positive terminal off the battery and it turned out to be a bad ground wire to the engine.
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So is it cranking over well and just not catching or is it not cranking over well?
Generally a starter builds up a lot of heat when it is dirty inside and not using the power efficiently or if there is an issue with the power (or ground) going to it. I had one that actually melted the positive terminal off the battery and it turned out to be a bad ground wire to the engine.
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Re: Just when I thought I'd sorted it.
It was a 'new' starter a couple of years ago, may have to open it up and have a look inside.Whiskerfish wrote:Must be some of that other English You mean proper English?
So is it cranking over well and just not catching or is it not cranking over well? Cranks over once in a while but generally doesn't look like starting
Generally a starter builds up a lot of heat when it is dirty inside and not using the power efficiently or if there is an issue with the power (or ground) going to it. I had one that actually melted the positive terminal off the battery and it turned out to be a bad ground wire to the engine. Why would that happen as it's the negative terminal that goes to the starter?
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Previous Rides,
1980 CB250N Good to learn on
1981 CX500 good mid range tourer, went to Austria on it!
1983 GL1100C Pride and joy, sold when I bought my 1st house, big mistake
1985 GL650 Silverwing another mistake, horrible bike
1986 CBX550 Good commuter
1989 Suzuki GS750 (1976) cheap and cheerful until a dog ran out in front of me on Xmas Eve, 1991
Current bikes
2010 CB1300 back on a bike after 19 years, two divorces, children grown up etc
1980 GL1100 NOW ON THE ROAD, still use CB1300.
1980 CB250N Good to learn on
1981 CX500 good mid range tourer, went to Austria on it!
1983 GL1100C Pride and joy, sold when I bought my 1st house, big mistake
1985 GL650 Silverwing another mistake, horrible bike
1986 CBX550 Good commuter
1989 Suzuki GS750 (1976) cheap and cheerful until a dog ran out in front of me on Xmas Eve, 1991
Current bikes
2010 CB1300 back on a bike after 19 years, two divorces, children grown up etc
1980 GL1100 NOW ON THE ROAD, still use CB1300.
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Re: Just when I thought I'd sorted it.
It is NOT the negative cable that goes to the starter. It is black, but is positive from the solenoid. The negative is thru the case connection
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1977 custom with 1200 engine
1985 gl1200
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1985 gl1200
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Re: Just when I thought I'd sorted it.
You are right of course, it's been a long day. Just put it down to me having a senior moment! Just to confirm, my wiring from the battery is correct!
Previous Rides,
1980 CB250N Good to learn on
1981 CX500 good mid range tourer, went to Austria on it!
1983 GL1100C Pride and joy, sold when I bought my 1st house, big mistake
1985 GL650 Silverwing another mistake, horrible bike
1986 CBX550 Good commuter
1989 Suzuki GS750 (1976) cheap and cheerful until a dog ran out in front of me on Xmas Eve, 1991
Current bikes
2010 CB1300 back on a bike after 19 years, two divorces, children grown up etc
1980 GL1100 NOW ON THE ROAD, still use CB1300.
1980 CB250N Good to learn on
1981 CX500 good mid range tourer, went to Austria on it!
1983 GL1100C Pride and joy, sold when I bought my 1st house, big mistake
1985 GL650 Silverwing another mistake, horrible bike
1986 CBX550 Good commuter
1989 Suzuki GS750 (1976) cheap and cheerful until a dog ran out in front of me on Xmas Eve, 1991
Current bikes
2010 CB1300 back on a bike after 19 years, two divorces, children grown up etc
1980 GL1100 NOW ON THE ROAD, still use CB1300.
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