Steering Head Bearing Replacement

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Steering Head Bearing Replacement

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I have seen the "All-Balls" steering head bearings kits for the early wings with loose ball bearings. These kits include tapered roller bearings. Seems to me to be a superior choice. I am going to tear apart my front end, and unless someone tells me why I shouldn't, I am planning to install these. That said, can the stock races be drifted out (top and bottom) with a wood down and hammer? I know on the Honda CB-F models (the DOHC ones, anyway), that you need a special tool to remove one of the races.

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Re: Steering Head Bearing Replacement

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i seem to recall you needing a slide hammer on the bottom one, some people just cut it with a small grinder and it drops out. this is from a memory that's not real god as of late. someone may correct me shortly
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What year are we talking about? Mid 76 I believe was the beginning with tapper bearings.
Much easier in my opinion to go back with balls if that’s what you have than to convert to tappers. From what I read hear and elsewhere it’s not as a simple swap as one might think. And as far as durability, well the new wings went back to balls. So, the jury is still out……..
If the steering head has upper and lower races designed to take balls, then the only thing you need is a long drift to knock them out as they afford you a wide ledge to rest the drift on ..
Either way ,good luck.
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Mine is a 1976 model. According the to the VIN plate it was built in 11/75. According to my Clymer manual, the tapered balls did not appear until later, but Clymer isn't the be-all/end-all in accuracy I know.

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1982 Honda FT-500 Ascot: First (only) new bike. Family forces sale.
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Re: Steering Head Bearing Replacement

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There were lots of changes through the 76 production run. According to the parts list, 1976 serial number 2040166 and up had the tapered bearings. If you haven't looked yet, there are 3 possible scenarios...

1. You find loose ball bearings.
2. A P.O. has already converted from the balls to the tapered bearings.
3. It had the tapered bearings as OEM.

My 76 has balls and my 78 has tapered bearings. Honestly, I can't feel a difference.

**NOTE** The roller bearings to replace the balls are NOT the same size as the roller bearings used on later models. The neck on the frame is a different diameter.
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Put your new tapered bearings in the freezer overnight. Take out each part one at a time when you're ready to drive in the cups and races make it a quick installation. I had the same situation with my 76, early frame year so I had to get the kit 22-1011.

Here's a couple links to look at...

http://www.ngwclub.com/forum/viewtopic. ... g&start=30

http://www.ngwclub.com/forum/viewtopic. ... =+bearings

http://www.ngwclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=32702
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delling3 wrote:That said, can the stock races be drifted out (top and bottom) with a wood dowel and hammer?
The short answer is yes they can be drifted out, but I had to make a tool out of a long screwdriver with a special grind on the tip to get it to work. It is just barely possible, and will take time, patience and more time. The tapered bearings are a worthwhile upgrade IMHO.
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The neck on the '78 has reliefs behind the bearing cups so a properly sized plate with a tapped hole in the middle can be slid in and the cup can be pulled out. I don't know if that's true on the earlier models but it's worth a look.

Some of the 76's were odd models. Top bearing was the old style and the lower bearing was the new style (or vice-versa). Anyway, for those particular bikes the all-balls kit won't exactly work. When you disassemble the steering neck you will see what you have. If it's one of the goofy ones - I'd go back to stock. They lasted a good long time.

The all-balls kit sometimes requires a modification to the upper bearing retainer. Members have just shipped them to all-balls and they did the mod there. I think it requires a bit of lathe work.

I wish I had one of these bearing splitters when I pulled the lower bearing race off the stem (auto parts stores carry them). That was the single most difficult job of my build. The bearing was winning for a long time until I pulled it out there at the end.
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Here's a question for everyone. I replaced my steering head bearings in my 76 this past summer. My frame number is one of the early models and I had the original ball bearings. I used the all balls kit and it seems fine to me but the upper bearings did stick up a bit above the neck line of the frame. I understand from reading all the other threads when I did my bearings that machining the upper race or something to that effect was necessary. I did not have this done and it seemed to go together ok for me.

What I haven't seen yet and would like to, is a picture showing the work performed by the allballs factory to machine the nut. Also, I'd like to see what the bearings installed in the neck is supposed to look like after the machine work has been performed. In other words I think we need to have something to compare it to. I'd also love to see this issue put into the how-to section once and for all. It seems this keeps coming up all the time. Can anyone post pics in this thread? I know I searched all over for pics of that and I'm still not even sure if my bearings were installed correctly. They seem to be fine but I'm yet to ride my bike after the install.
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It was Vapor_Trail that sent the piece back to All-Balls. I think they take 2mm off a flange on the underside of the bearing retainer but I'm not exactly sure on that. As I recall it was convered in the instructions he received with the kit. His was one of the '76 "transition" bikes. Tapered roller on one end and the old ball bearing on the other.
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I used a tire spoon which had a 90 degree bend on one end to remove the bottom race. Honda left a recess just enough for this on the top edge of the race. It just took repeated raps moving it around the race. i think you could make one quite easily. I have a 77 with tapered on the top and balls on the bottom. My other 77 was the same way. I just did this a month ago. The freezer helps. When I do the other bike, I'm going to try the weld-a-bead method on the lower race.
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my 77 has a build date of dec 76, it has tapered bearings. about 20 years ago It had developed a notch in the centre position so I decided to change them, they came out ok with a punch. the bottom was a readily available size from the local bearing supply store, but the top was a "weird" size which was not available except from mh. since the notch was on the back surface of the race I rotated it 180 degrees and put it pack in, so there was a new surface to take the load. it solved the problem and I'm still running the original top bearing.
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:?: :?: :?: Question - I have an '83 Aspy w/41K miles. No problems detected with steering head bearings --- should I leave it be OR replace with an All Balls kit? Any advantages to doing the upgrade? Is there a noticeable increase i steering sharpness or any other metric that makes it worth the time and effort to upgrade?
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Steering head and swing arm, I am not doing till I got' too lolol



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If it ain't broke, why fix it? Actually, in my case I need to take the steering head apart anyway. My rule of thumb on things like bearings is if your taking it apart anyway, why not make sure that these wear items are renewed. If I wasn't planning on taking it apart, and I wasn't having problems, I would say leave it alone. YMMV!

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1978 GL1000 - JUNE 2017 BOTM: Sold
2006 Kawasaki Concours: Sold
1995 Kawasaki Concours: Crashed/totalled.
1976 GL1000: LAST RESTORATION, sold
1981 Honda CB900F Supersport: 3rd restoration, sold.
1979 Yamaha XS-750F: 2nd restoration, sold.
1982 Honda FT-500 Ascot: First (only) new bike. Family forces sale.
1973 CB500 Four: First restoration, long gone.
1972 Suzuki TS-100: First bike, sold.

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