Water pump rebuild
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- ericheath
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Water pump rebuild
I have the weep hole drip on my 77 and 83, so it's time to do a couple changes. In looking through Roady's how-to in Shoptalk, I notice there is a seal behind the transmission case that should be replaced? Looking through parts list at Western Honda, it doesn't show the seal. Is this needed, and if so, perhaps its located in the block parts list? Any help appreciated. I guess I may as well do the other preventative items while I'm there. Anyone have any suggestions as to what else I should do? Thanks in advance.
Whatever I suggest here should be given ample time for a moderator to delicately correct. I apologize in advance.
77 WING, 1200 engine with 77 heads, cams, gl1100 foot pegs, Magna V65 front end, 764A carbs, [-gone Suzuki M109 monoshock--, replaced with gl1100 shocks] gl 1200 swing arm, gl1500 final drive, wheel and rear brakes Valkyrie seat, Meanstreak tank, Sportster pipes, Power Arc ignition off crank.
77 Wing. black
83 Wing, in pieces
"Continuing education is important even if the subject matter is fairly useless (as in this case)."---Greg Foresi
77 WING, 1200 engine with 77 heads, cams, gl1100 foot pegs, Magna V65 front end, 764A carbs, [-gone Suzuki M109 monoshock--, replaced with gl1100 shocks] gl 1200 swing arm, gl1500 final drive, wheel and rear brakes Valkyrie seat, Meanstreak tank, Sportster pipes, Power Arc ignition off crank.
77 Wing. black
83 Wing, in pieces
"Continuing education is important even if the subject matter is fairly useless (as in this case)."---Greg Foresi
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Re: Water pump rebuild
You have to look up the oil pump on the fiche...Honda calls it an O-ring pn# 91316-425-003. That number MAY be supersceded,the search function on Honda's fiche will tell you.
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1976 GL 1000 "Screaming Yellow Zonker"
1976 GL 1000 Sulfur Yellow x2
1981 GL 1100 "Crown Royal"
1997 GL 1500 Pearl Sapphire Black
1977 GL1000 Cirrius Blue
1977 GL 1000 Skidmark build
1976 GL 1000 Limited
2003 ST 1300 Silver Streak
(And those are just the Gold Wings! With an exception..)
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Re: Water pump rebuild
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Re: Water pump rebuild
Thanks, Placer and Alwing. That's just the ticket. As to the seal, I looked up at Westernhonda.com, the oil pump for a 77 and see a seal #23 in the diagram that looks to be the one as in Roady's rebuild. It is: OIL SEAL (10X25X7)
91207-580-003 (replaces 91207-580-015)
Can anyone verify that this is the one and that it doesn't come in the water pump kit? Thanks again.
91207-580-003 (replaces 91207-580-015)
Can anyone verify that this is the one and that it doesn't come in the water pump kit? Thanks again.
Whatever I suggest here should be given ample time for a moderator to delicately correct. I apologize in advance.
77 WING, 1200 engine with 77 heads, cams, gl1100 foot pegs, Magna V65 front end, 764A carbs, [-gone Suzuki M109 monoshock--, replaced with gl1100 shocks] gl 1200 swing arm, gl1500 final drive, wheel and rear brakes Valkyrie seat, Meanstreak tank, Sportster pipes, Power Arc ignition off crank.
77 Wing. black
83 Wing, in pieces
"Continuing education is important even if the subject matter is fairly useless (as in this case)."---Greg Foresi
77 WING, 1200 engine with 77 heads, cams, gl1100 foot pegs, Magna V65 front end, 764A carbs, [-gone Suzuki M109 monoshock--, replaced with gl1100 shocks] gl 1200 swing arm, gl1500 final drive, wheel and rear brakes Valkyrie seat, Meanstreak tank, Sportster pipes, Power Arc ignition off crank.
77 Wing. black
83 Wing, in pieces
"Continuing education is important even if the subject matter is fairly useless (as in this case)."---Greg Foresi
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Re: Water pump rebuild
Last one I did for a 1000 had extra seals. I think they were for the 1100 variety. Pretty sure Octane addresses the issue in his how too.
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Re: Water pump rebuild
That seal, and every other seal, O ring and gasket you'll need, are all included in the kit I mentioned above.ericheath wrote:Thanks, Placer and Alwing. That's just the ticket. As to the seal, I looked up at Westernhonda.com, the oil pump for a 77 and see a seal #23 in the diagram that looks to be the one as in Roady's rebuild. It is: OIL SEAL (10X25X7)
91207-580-003 (replaces 91207-580-015)
Can anyone verify that this is the one and that it doesn't come in the water pump kit? Thanks again.
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Re: Water pump rebuild
The Ebay kit says in the description, "mechanical seal not included." I assume this is the one in Roady's post. I cannot seem to copy his photo to tag here.
http://www.ngwclub.com/forum/viewtopic. ... 44#p138444
Seems like I should do this one as well when I do it. It's only three dollars or so and Octane and others reference getting it from a standard seal carrier.
http://www.ngwclub.com/forum/viewtopic. ... 44#p138444
Seems like I should do this one as well when I do it. It's only three dollars or so and Octane and others reference getting it from a standard seal carrier.
Whatever I suggest here should be given ample time for a moderator to delicately correct. I apologize in advance.
77 WING, 1200 engine with 77 heads, cams, gl1100 foot pegs, Magna V65 front end, 764A carbs, [-gone Suzuki M109 monoshock--, replaced with gl1100 shocks] gl 1200 swing arm, gl1500 final drive, wheel and rear brakes Valkyrie seat, Meanstreak tank, Sportster pipes, Power Arc ignition off crank.
77 Wing. black
83 Wing, in pieces
"Continuing education is important even if the subject matter is fairly useless (as in this case)."---Greg Foresi
77 WING, 1200 engine with 77 heads, cams, gl1100 foot pegs, Magna V65 front end, 764A carbs, [-gone Suzuki M109 monoshock--, replaced with gl1100 shocks] gl 1200 swing arm, gl1500 final drive, wheel and rear brakes Valkyrie seat, Meanstreak tank, Sportster pipes, Power Arc ignition off crank.
77 Wing. black
83 Wing, in pieces
"Continuing education is important even if the subject matter is fairly useless (as in this case)."---Greg Foresi
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Re: Water pump rebuild
This KP kit (first picture below) is from the eBay posting I indicated above. The mechanical seal is clearly visible in the package (center, left, below the little bag of washers). All of the KP pump kits come with the mechanical seal. Contact 'georgefix', the seller of this item, and ask him why he's stating 'MECHANICAL SEAL NOT INCLUDED' as that doesn't make sense. He's a reputable dealer and he will clarify this statement.ericheath wrote:The Ebay kit says in the description, "mechanical seal not included." I assume this is the one in Roady's post. I cannot seem to copy his photo to tag here.
http://www.ngwclub.com/forum/viewtopic. ... 44#p138444
Seems like I should do this one as well when I do it. It's only three dollars or so and Octane and others reference getting it from a standard seal carrier.
If you need further reinforcement, below is the same kit being sold by SCI. Note that the kits are identical and the mechanical seal is there as well. If you want to buy the kit from them, go here.
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Re: Water pump rebuild
Good advice, I'll shoot them a question. Having not done this, I couldn't tell if that was the seal or not. It looked smaller than Roady's pics.
Whatever I suggest here should be given ample time for a moderator to delicately correct. I apologize in advance.
77 WING, 1200 engine with 77 heads, cams, gl1100 foot pegs, Magna V65 front end, 764A carbs, [-gone Suzuki M109 monoshock--, replaced with gl1100 shocks] gl 1200 swing arm, gl1500 final drive, wheel and rear brakes Valkyrie seat, Meanstreak tank, Sportster pipes, Power Arc ignition off crank.
77 Wing. black
83 Wing, in pieces
"Continuing education is important even if the subject matter is fairly useless (as in this case)."---Greg Foresi
77 WING, 1200 engine with 77 heads, cams, gl1100 foot pegs, Magna V65 front end, 764A carbs, [-gone Suzuki M109 monoshock--, replaced with gl1100 shocks] gl 1200 swing arm, gl1500 final drive, wheel and rear brakes Valkyrie seat, Meanstreak tank, Sportster pipes, Power Arc ignition off crank.
77 Wing. black
83 Wing, in pieces
"Continuing education is important even if the subject matter is fairly useless (as in this case)."---Greg Foresi
- ericheath
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Re: Water pump rebuild
Pretty quick response from George, he said, "Nope, no seal."
Whatever I suggest here should be given ample time for a moderator to delicately correct. I apologize in advance.
77 WING, 1200 engine with 77 heads, cams, gl1100 foot pegs, Magna V65 front end, 764A carbs, [-gone Suzuki M109 monoshock--, replaced with gl1100 shocks] gl 1200 swing arm, gl1500 final drive, wheel and rear brakes Valkyrie seat, Meanstreak tank, Sportster pipes, Power Arc ignition off crank.
77 Wing. black
83 Wing, in pieces
"Continuing education is important even if the subject matter is fairly useless (as in this case)."---Greg Foresi
77 WING, 1200 engine with 77 heads, cams, gl1100 foot pegs, Magna V65 front end, 764A carbs, [-gone Suzuki M109 monoshock--, replaced with gl1100 shocks] gl 1200 swing arm, gl1500 final drive, wheel and rear brakes Valkyrie seat, Meanstreak tank, Sportster pipes, Power Arc ignition off crank.
77 Wing. black
83 Wing, in pieces
"Continuing education is important even if the subject matter is fairly useless (as in this case)."---Greg Foresi
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