Turn Signals Flashing Fast
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Turn Signals Flashing Fast
This has likely been discussed a few times. My turn signal bulbs are incandescent. All the bulbs are working, but in the past little while they've been flashing very fast. Right turns, left turns, it doesn't matter.
Do turn signal flashers die this way? Or does a flasher just quit altogether. Am I looking for something else? I'd pickup another flasher, but I don't want to do that unnecessarily.
Thanks........Dave
Do turn signal flashers die this way? Or does a flasher just quit altogether. Am I looking for something else? I'd pickup another flasher, but I don't want to do that unnecessarily.
Thanks........Dave
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Re: Turn Signals Flashing Fast
Try another flasher. That was my first thought and you had a similar idea. Get an electronic one. Even if using incandescent bulbs they work better.
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Re: Turn Signals Flashing Fast
+1 on the electronic flasher.
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Re: Turn Signals Flashing Fast
Yeah, I think you're right. That was my initial thought. Better than digging for a potential bad ground. I saw that recommended somewhere. It seems that I might have had this kind of scenario, with the rapid flashing, many years ago. But I'm not sure. Memory? It may have been a burnt out bulb in my car. They do that.robin1731 wrote:Try another flasher. That was my first thought and you had a similar idea. Get an electronic one. Even if using incandescent bulbs they work better.
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I was just wondering if anyone had experienced the rapid flashing, to be directly related to a faulty flasher unit.
Electronic. Good idea. Thanks.....................Dave
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Re: Turn Signals Flashing Fast
I've been searching on-line and there's millions of them. Will a flasher that only states that it's an LED flasher, work with incandecent bulbs? Are all LED flashers electronic flashers? And some are 2 pin and some are 3 pin. My original flasher is 2 pin. I'm thinking that the 3rd pin is for a ground connection. Is that necessary with an electronic flasher. Which one worked for you.low-side wrote:+1 on the electronic flasher.
So many questions... ...Dave
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Re: Turn Signals Flashing Fast
Go to your nearest/favorite auto parts store. If you frequent them a lot they may let you try some flashers. I've had some work on some bikes that didn't work on others. Just get one that is electronic. Doesn't have to say LED. They will have them in stock. Many times they are sort of translucent and you can see the inner works through the casing.
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and a rotation of various purchases
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Re: Turn Signals Flashing Fast
There are 2 kinds of flashers, electronic (which use one of several types of electronic circuit to trigger a relay) and bi-metal. Do you remember the bi-metal strip from primary school science? They would hold it over a heat source and it would bend as one metal expanded more than the other. In the bi-metal flasher the current to the bulbs passes through the bi-metal strip, heating it up and when it bends the end moves away from a contact, interrupting the current so that the strip cools, straightens, touches the contact again and the cycle repeats.
A bi-metal type will flash slower when a bulb fails because there is less current so it takes longer for it to heat up.
All 3 pin flashers are electronic and yes, the 3rd pin is for ground (there should be an unused green wire near your flasher for that). But not all electronic flashers require the ground connection. Most electronic flashers are designed to speed up to let you know if a bulb has failed. Occasionally the flasher will become defective and flash faster with all bulbs working but sometimes a poor ground will reduce the current and produce the same effect. The easy way to determine if you have a ground problem is to measure the voltage between the side of the bulb and the battery's negative terminal when the bulb is on; If there is more than a volt you probably need to address the ground problem because it will affect how bright the lights are.
Some LED flashers can be used with incandescents too. Look for a current rating of at least 4A for two 1156 or 1157 type bulbs (or one of each like your bike has).
A bi-metal type will flash slower when a bulb fails because there is less current so it takes longer for it to heat up.
All 3 pin flashers are electronic and yes, the 3rd pin is for ground (there should be an unused green wire near your flasher for that). But not all electronic flashers require the ground connection. Most electronic flashers are designed to speed up to let you know if a bulb has failed. Occasionally the flasher will become defective and flash faster with all bulbs working but sometimes a poor ground will reduce the current and produce the same effect. The easy way to determine if you have a ground problem is to measure the voltage between the side of the bulb and the battery's negative terminal when the bulb is on; If there is more than a volt you probably need to address the ground problem because it will affect how bright the lights are.
Some LED flashers can be used with incandescents too. Look for a current rating of at least 4A for two 1156 or 1157 type bulbs (or one of each like your bike has).
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Re: Turn Signals Flashing Fast
100% on that Robin. I went to Napa, bought a new electronic flasher for $15, and presto, all is well.robin1731 wrote:Go to your nearest/favorite auto parts store. If you frequent them a lot they may let you try some flashers. I've had some work on some bikes that didn't work on others. Just get one that is electronic. Doesn't have to say LED. They will have them in stock. Many times they are sort of translucent and you can see the inner works through the casing.
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But wouldn't you know it? Just before doing that I drove over to my storage shed to confirm that things were still flashing fast, and to remove the flasher to take with me. I was checking its operation so that when I installed the new one I'd hopefully notice a significant improvement. Well like I said, "wouldn't you know it", it was flashing normally. For probably 2 weeks it's been flashing much too fast, and now, of all times, it's normal.
Well, I bought and installed the new one anyway, and all systems are go.
Of course I had to test ride the bike for 120 kms. or so just to confirm the flasher was operating properly. If you know what I mean. I'll keep the old one for a possible emergency.
Thanks again.......................Dave
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Re: Turn Signals Flashing Fast
Might be the last chance to really enjoy a test ride on 2 wheels for a while...
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Click: Colour schematics for all GL1000 & GL1100 and GL1200 standard models plus instructions on how to download the full size version
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Re: Turn Signals Flashing Fast
Still a benefit. With the electronic flasher they won't slow down when you are idling at a light.
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1992 ZX7 Dragbike (KZ900 style motor w/NOS)
and a rotation of various purchases
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Re: Turn Signals Flashing Fast
You said it. I did notice that on my ride, when I was road testing the new flasher. I like that!robin1731 wrote:Still a benefit. With the electronic flasher they won't slow down when you are idling at a light.
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Re: Turn Signals Flashing Fast
Well this is sort of on subject.
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Re: Turn Signals Flashing Fast
Yeah, but now we have that pretty much figured out
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BTW: Trailer light kits are great for sidecar outfits because you can have matching lights on bike & sidecar and the one on the bike lights the license plate. I have the low profile ones on Mr.H and the square ones on Eccles.
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The Famous Eccles ('84 CX650EI/VeloUral) winter Never Ending Build (CX500forum)
Click: Colour schematics for all GL1000 & GL1100 and GL1200 standard models plus instructions on how to download the full size version
"A guy with two sidecars can't be all bad." - Cookie
Another guy with two sidecars..... Hmmmm... must be something to that....
The Famous Eccles ('84 CX650EI/VeloUral) winter Never Ending Build (CX500forum)
Click: Colour schematics for all GL1000 & GL1100 and GL1200 standard models plus instructions on how to download the full size version
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Re: Turn Signals Flashing Fast
A rapidly flashing turn signal would have me looking for a wire chafing against the frame (ground). I would find the cause of the extra load on the flasher before "curing" the problem with putting in an electronic flasher. The flasher uses current to heat the bi metal strip in the flasher. More current heats the bi metal strip quicker which opens the circuit faster. A burned out turn signal bulb on one side of the bike will cause that side to flash slowly or not at all.
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Re: Turn Signals Flashing Fast
Well, if it was a hot wire chafing against the frame, grounding it out, that should blow a fuse.
If you've ever blown a turn signal bulb in a car you know that they will flash faster. At least on older cars.
Flashers do wear out over time. Causing the issue that Dave was having. So the easiest/quickest/cheapest way to begin diagnosis is to replace the flasher with a new one. You can always go with an old style flasher. Using an electronic one gives you the added benefit of the signals not slowing down when sitting at a light from low voltage. If the issue "isn't" with the flasher you would still have the same problem. Then you could go further with diagnosing from there.
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If you've ever blown a turn signal bulb in a car you know that they will flash faster. At least on older cars.
Flashers do wear out over time. Causing the issue that Dave was having. So the easiest/quickest/cheapest way to begin diagnosis is to replace the flasher with a new one. You can always go with an old style flasher. Using an electronic one gives you the added benefit of the signals not slowing down when sitting at a light from low voltage. If the issue "isn't" with the flasher you would still have the same problem. Then you could go further with diagnosing from there.
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and a rotation of various purchases
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1992 ZX7 Dragbike (KZ900 style motor w/NOS)
and a rotation of various purchases
Randakk approved Carb Rebuilder
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