Ice Racing Sidecar Project - Ready to Rock & Roll!!!
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Ice Racing Sidecar Project - Ready to Rock & Roll!!!
Here she is, FINISHED! almost ready to go Kick Some BUTT on the ice!! Just need ice!
Having screwed up ice tires before on my workshop floor, the wheels with the ice tires will be put on only when the rig is on the ice.
Brief Summary:
* 81 GL1100
* ~17k miles from new.
* Laid up since 1991 (Fresh Blue Tarp every 5 years)
* Seized solid when brought home in May
* Running a day later
* Carbs cleaned and she runs like a Honda!
* CR500 21" front wheel, No Brake. Front lever operates rear disk
* Straight pipes
* Home conceived & built sidecar
* Frugally built from bits & pieces lying around
* 'High End' Rattle Can Pint Job
So, She needs a Moniker...... Suggestions?????]
Current Favorite - The Black Pig
(Sidecar Bob - Do you know the British TV/Radio series reference )
If we get enough suggestions I may run a Poll
Having screwed up ice tires before on my workshop floor, the wheels with the ice tires will be put on only when the rig is on the ice.
Brief Summary:
* 81 GL1100
* ~17k miles from new.
* Laid up since 1991 (Fresh Blue Tarp every 5 years)
* Seized solid when brought home in May
* Running a day later
* Carbs cleaned and she runs like a Honda!
* CR500 21" front wheel, No Brake. Front lever operates rear disk
* Straight pipes
* Home conceived & built sidecar
* Frugally built from bits & pieces lying around
* 'High End' Rattle Can Pint Job
So, She needs a Moniker...... Suggestions?????]
Current Favorite - The Black Pig
(Sidecar Bob - Do you know the British TV/Radio series reference )
If we get enough suggestions I may run a Poll
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Bob Manifold
Older, fuller-figured, bike nut living in rural Connecticut
94 GL1500A Really Naked, Tangerine Dream
81 GL1100 Naked, Carbon Fibre Black Beauty
81 GL1100 based Ice Racing Sidecar
78 BMW R100/7 (Original Owner) My regular ride nowadays
86 CR500 Ice Racer
77 Ex-Works FANTIC 200 Trials Sidecar (Will Hawkes bike)
99 Montessa 305 Trials Sidecar
99 Ex-Works Bultaco Sherpa (Andreu Codina's bike)
79 Bultaco 199A Sherpa
65 Honda CA77 305 Dream
73 Yamaha DT250
81 XR500 (600cc) StarRacer Dirttrack
Older, fuller-figured, bike nut living in rural Connecticut
94 GL1500A Really Naked, Tangerine Dream
81 GL1100 Naked, Carbon Fibre Black Beauty
81 GL1100 based Ice Racing Sidecar
78 BMW R100/7 (Original Owner) My regular ride nowadays
86 CR500 Ice Racer
77 Ex-Works FANTIC 200 Trials Sidecar (Will Hawkes bike)
99 Montessa 305 Trials Sidecar
99 Ex-Works Bultaco Sherpa (Andreu Codina's bike)
79 Bultaco 199A Sherpa
65 Honda CA77 305 Dream
73 Yamaha DT250
81 XR500 (600cc) StarRacer Dirttrack
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Re: Ice Racing Sidecar Project - Ready to Rock & Roll!!!
Looking real good, but I see green grass, where is the ice?
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Re: Ice Racing Sidecar Project - Ready to Rock & Roll!!!
"The Flyin' Ice Hack"
Crazy-cool (ha) idea for a bike, BTW. I love it.
Crazy-cool (ha) idea for a bike, BTW. I love it.
1997 Valkyrie- Light Cutomization, but Too Busy Riding
1980 KZ1300- Bike's Haunted
1976 GL1000 (Yellow)- It Runs (Poorly) and Doesn't Leak (Mostly)
1974 Velosolex 3800- Better Than Walking
1972 CB750- Broke the Chain And Ate the Motor
1969 CT90- The Most Fun You Can Have on 90ccs.
1965 CA77 Dream- Needs a Full Teardown, but Complete
All advice I give is only valid until an expert corrects me.
1980 KZ1300- Bike's Haunted
1976 GL1000 (Yellow)- It Runs (Poorly) and Doesn't Leak (Mostly)
1974 Velosolex 3800- Better Than Walking
1972 CB750- Broke the Chain And Ate the Motor
1969 CT90- The Most Fun You Can Have on 90ccs.
1965 CA77 Dream- Needs a Full Teardown, but Complete
All advice I give is only valid until an expert corrects me.
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Re: Ice Racing Sidecar Project - Ready to Rock & Roll!!!
Crazy fun. Im really looking forward to seeing some vids!
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1980 County Road Hauler "Brain Damage"
1978 Cafe Custom Gl1000 "Vyper"
1977 Bulldog Inspired "Vaincre"
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Re: Ice Racing Sidecar Project - Ready to Rock & Roll!!!
You want to test it on ice? Bring it to Calgary and try it out on my driveway.
I am also waiting on some videos of any any races you have this season.
I am also waiting on some videos of any any races you have this season.
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Standard 1976 GL1000 Being Morphed into the Alberta Super Clipper
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Re: Ice Racing Sidecar Project - Ready to Rock & Roll!!!
Looks like from the front number plate, she has a name......works for me
82 GL1100 Interstate-Oldewing October 23 BOTM
06 GL1800 Road bike, as in Rode alot...
Sometimes I wrestle with my inner demons.........
Other times we just hug.......
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And always remember: beer has some food value--but food has NO beer value...
06 GL1800 Road bike, as in Rode alot...
Sometimes I wrestle with my inner demons.........
Other times we just hug.......
Team 898
Team LTD 993
Team 76 R2B3
And always remember: beer has some food value--but food has NO beer value...
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Re: Ice Racing Sidecar Project - Ready to Rock & Roll!!!
how about "ice hacky"
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Re: Ice Racing Sidecar Project - Ready to Rock & Roll!!!
Get some studded tires and call it the Hacksaw.
1997 Valkyrie- Light Cutomization, but Too Busy Riding
1980 KZ1300- Bike's Haunted
1976 GL1000 (Yellow)- It Runs (Poorly) and Doesn't Leak (Mostly)
1974 Velosolex 3800- Better Than Walking
1972 CB750- Broke the Chain And Ate the Motor
1969 CT90- The Most Fun You Can Have on 90ccs.
1965 CA77 Dream- Needs a Full Teardown, but Complete
All advice I give is only valid until an expert corrects me.
1980 KZ1300- Bike's Haunted
1976 GL1000 (Yellow)- It Runs (Poorly) and Doesn't Leak (Mostly)
1974 Velosolex 3800- Better Than Walking
1972 CB750- Broke the Chain And Ate the Motor
1969 CT90- The Most Fun You Can Have on 90ccs.
1965 CA77 Dream- Needs a Full Teardown, but Complete
All advice I give is only valid until an expert corrects me.
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Re: Ice Racing Sidecar Project - Ready to Rock & Roll!!!
I have my Ice tires all set up and ready to go.Lucien Harpress wrote:Get some studded tires and call it the Hacksaw.
I am keeping them under wraps until the racing begins to maintain a competitive edge.
Needless to say, they would certainly Hacksaw through flesh quite easily.
Bob Manifold
Older, fuller-figured, bike nut living in rural Connecticut
94 GL1500A Really Naked, Tangerine Dream
81 GL1100 Naked, Carbon Fibre Black Beauty
81 GL1100 based Ice Racing Sidecar
78 BMW R100/7 (Original Owner) My regular ride nowadays
86 CR500 Ice Racer
77 Ex-Works FANTIC 200 Trials Sidecar (Will Hawkes bike)
99 Montessa 305 Trials Sidecar
99 Ex-Works Bultaco Sherpa (Andreu Codina's bike)
79 Bultaco 199A Sherpa
65 Honda CA77 305 Dream
73 Yamaha DT250
81 XR500 (600cc) StarRacer Dirttrack
Older, fuller-figured, bike nut living in rural Connecticut
94 GL1500A Really Naked, Tangerine Dream
81 GL1100 Naked, Carbon Fibre Black Beauty
81 GL1100 based Ice Racing Sidecar
78 BMW R100/7 (Original Owner) My regular ride nowadays
86 CR500 Ice Racer
77 Ex-Works FANTIC 200 Trials Sidecar (Will Hawkes bike)
99 Montessa 305 Trials Sidecar
99 Ex-Works Bultaco Sherpa (Andreu Codina's bike)
79 Bultaco 199A Sherpa
65 Honda CA77 305 Dream
73 Yamaha DT250
81 XR500 (600cc) StarRacer Dirttrack
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Re: Ice Racing Sidecar Project - Ready to Rock & Roll!!!
Looks like it`ll be a good grass tracker if there`s no ice (ice plough)
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Re: Ice Racing Sidecar Project - Ready to Rock & Roll!!!
When I was a lad back in Dear Old Blighty, I spent some time as a passenger on a Grasstrack Sidecar. I fondly look back to that time as 'Character Building'. I have had it out in my field on the knobby tires and it works quite well and sounds amazing. Getting it on the ice will hopefully be better.Kriss wrote:Looks like it`ll be a good grass tracker if there`s no ice (ice plough)
I drew a lot of ideas in this rig from that racing experience and current grasstrack and speedway sidecar designs. If the Black Pig works reasonably well, I have some ideas to make it far more like the modern versions seen on grasstracks and speedways.
Until then
Bob Manifold
Older, fuller-figured, bike nut living in rural Connecticut
94 GL1500A Really Naked, Tangerine Dream
81 GL1100 Naked, Carbon Fibre Black Beauty
81 GL1100 based Ice Racing Sidecar
78 BMW R100/7 (Original Owner) My regular ride nowadays
86 CR500 Ice Racer
77 Ex-Works FANTIC 200 Trials Sidecar (Will Hawkes bike)
99 Montessa 305 Trials Sidecar
99 Ex-Works Bultaco Sherpa (Andreu Codina's bike)
79 Bultaco 199A Sherpa
65 Honda CA77 305 Dream
73 Yamaha DT250
81 XR500 (600cc) StarRacer Dirttrack
Older, fuller-figured, bike nut living in rural Connecticut
94 GL1500A Really Naked, Tangerine Dream
81 GL1100 Naked, Carbon Fibre Black Beauty
81 GL1100 based Ice Racing Sidecar
78 BMW R100/7 (Original Owner) My regular ride nowadays
86 CR500 Ice Racer
77 Ex-Works FANTIC 200 Trials Sidecar (Will Hawkes bike)
99 Montessa 305 Trials Sidecar
99 Ex-Works Bultaco Sherpa (Andreu Codina's bike)
79 Bultaco 199A Sherpa
65 Honda CA77 305 Dream
73 Yamaha DT250
81 XR500 (600cc) StarRacer Dirttrack
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Re: Ice Racing Sidecar Project - Ready to Rock & Roll!!!
Dang that looks like fun!!!
Nice Job
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Re: Ice Racing Sidecar Project - Ready to Rock & Roll!!!
The NGW ICE Queen
The black mamba
The black dahlia
Black ICE
Black wing
snow blind
Evil wing
King Auther (think mark twain)
Frost bite
Mr freeze
Thats all I can think of right now.
It sure looks cool.
Let us know what you name it.
The black mamba
The black dahlia
Black ICE
Black wing
snow blind
Evil wing
King Auther (think mark twain)
Frost bite
Mr freeze
Thats all I can think of right now.
It sure looks cool.
Let us know what you name it.
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Knees in the breeze makes miles of smiles
"Strive for progress, not perfection"-a wise man
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click pic to see my gallery
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Re: Ice Racing Sidecar Project - CALL OUT for Steering Head
OK, so its three years later and we have had no ice worth talking about for years.
I did get out on a lake and proved that:
1. Holy cow! Its fast! I only got it into third once and everything became a blur!
2. Its still heavy - even though we have taken everything off, its still a Lump
3. With the stock fork Geometry its a pig to steer.
This last weekend we got out on a real racetrack with real competition. Its still fast, but its still a pig to steer, even worse than before as I went back to standard trail as the front wheel was unwieghted by the axle being moved forward. I need to change the geometry.
I ended up totally exhausted as I improved the front end grip from initially chattering sideways (disconcerting at speed) to gripping but snapping back to straight due to the excessive lead with the stock geometry. At the end of 10 laps my arms were screaming with pain, and I had to drink to take the pain away
So a Call Out to all you NGW nuts for someone who has an old or damaged 81-ish frame laying around.... I need the steering head cut off a frame so I can change the steering angle without chopping and weakening my frame, and also so I can reuse the fork yokes and bearings and not have to scratch around for matching inner and outer races in the SKF catalog.
Can anyone help?
I did get out on a lake and proved that:
1. Holy cow! Its fast! I only got it into third once and everything became a blur!
2. Its still heavy - even though we have taken everything off, its still a Lump
3. With the stock fork Geometry its a pig to steer.
This last weekend we got out on a real racetrack with real competition. Its still fast, but its still a pig to steer, even worse than before as I went back to standard trail as the front wheel was unwieghted by the axle being moved forward. I need to change the geometry.
I ended up totally exhausted as I improved the front end grip from initially chattering sideways (disconcerting at speed) to gripping but snapping back to straight due to the excessive lead with the stock geometry. At the end of 10 laps my arms were screaming with pain, and I had to drink to take the pain away
So a Call Out to all you NGW nuts for someone who has an old or damaged 81-ish frame laying around.... I need the steering head cut off a frame so I can change the steering angle without chopping and weakening my frame, and also so I can reuse the fork yokes and bearings and not have to scratch around for matching inner and outer races in the SKF catalog.
Can anyone help?
Bob Manifold
Older, fuller-figured, bike nut living in rural Connecticut
94 GL1500A Really Naked, Tangerine Dream
81 GL1100 Naked, Carbon Fibre Black Beauty
81 GL1100 based Ice Racing Sidecar
78 BMW R100/7 (Original Owner) My regular ride nowadays
86 CR500 Ice Racer
77 Ex-Works FANTIC 200 Trials Sidecar (Will Hawkes bike)
99 Montessa 305 Trials Sidecar
99 Ex-Works Bultaco Sherpa (Andreu Codina's bike)
79 Bultaco 199A Sherpa
65 Honda CA77 305 Dream
73 Yamaha DT250
81 XR500 (600cc) StarRacer Dirttrack
Older, fuller-figured, bike nut living in rural Connecticut
94 GL1500A Really Naked, Tangerine Dream
81 GL1100 Naked, Carbon Fibre Black Beauty
81 GL1100 based Ice Racing Sidecar
78 BMW R100/7 (Original Owner) My regular ride nowadays
86 CR500 Ice Racer
77 Ex-Works FANTIC 200 Trials Sidecar (Will Hawkes bike)
99 Montessa 305 Trials Sidecar
99 Ex-Works Bultaco Sherpa (Andreu Codina's bike)
79 Bultaco 199A Sherpa
65 Honda CA77 305 Dream
73 Yamaha DT250
81 XR500 (600cc) StarRacer Dirttrack
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Re: Ice Racing Sidecar Project - Ready to Rock & Roll!!!
you got a PM.
82 GL1100 Interstate-Oldewing October 23 BOTM
06 GL1800 Road bike, as in Rode alot...
Sometimes I wrestle with my inner demons.........
Other times we just hug.......
Team 898
Team LTD 993
Team 76 R2B3
And always remember: beer has some food value--but food has NO beer value...
06 GL1800 Road bike, as in Rode alot...
Sometimes I wrestle with my inner demons.........
Other times we just hug.......
Team 898
Team LTD 993
Team 76 R2B3
And always remember: beer has some food value--but food has NO beer value...
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